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#76 2008-08-29 8:53 pm

bratboy
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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

Daniel wrote:

her

Interesting....


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#77 2008-08-29 11:05 pm

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

ScifiterX wrote:

Same in the area where Daniel and I live but there are stretches here where cops aren't around to hear or see problems very often.

And apparently Florida Ave is one of them.


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#78 2008-08-29 11:15 pm

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

At that given time

It seems to shuffle around semi-regularly

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#79 2008-08-30 1:08 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

Daniel wrote:

macnuke wrote:

if you are inna hurry. leave 5 minutes earlier.
or just get the Tank and be done with it.

I should not have to turn a 5-minute trip into a 20-minute trip because some smurf feels like crawling along at the head of the line.  That is not reasonable.

ok.... you choose tank.

but it's prolly best when doing trip calculations to use the smurf factor in it.
the odds of an smurf being in front of you are highest when you calculate with max speed on your trip. wink


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#80 2008-08-30 10:47 pm

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

bratboy wrote:

Daniel wrote:

zoees wrote:

What/who determines "the speed limit"? And how?

The police set it such that they maximize their profits.

You've said it before, and I still hope (but doubt) that you're joking.  The police do not set speed limits!

lol

Good god man, surely you understand the legislative process better than that!

It's not the police; it is the government.

In Albuquerque it does seem that stoplights and speed limits are set in a way to increase violations. For instance, on all but a select few Albuquerque streets, yellow lights last three seconds. When the posted limit is 40 MPH and most people are driving 40-45 MPH, a yellow light should last *at least* four seconds, and probably five.

And there is no consideration if a stoplight is at the bottom of a hill. Those lights should be seven or eight seconds. But no, the city of Albuquerque sets them at three seconds.

Another thing that seems set up to catch people who weren't doing anything wrong in Albuquerque are the speed limit signs on one-way streets, just over the top of many hills, so the speed limit gets cut by 5 MPH right as cars start to coast downhill. mad

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#81 2008-08-31 12:08 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

But do you really think that when plans are laid out for the placement of signs (and believe me, there are likely plans upon plans made for tiny details such as this) there is some overarching agenda in place to trick people into violating the law?  Especially in a city so large? 

If money were the issue, why wouldn't cops settle on the first guy who drives by going above the limit?  I pass police monitoring traffic speed all the time while exceeding the speed limit, and haven't been pulled over for speeding since I was 16.  When I worked in traffic court, 10 mph over the limit was generally the lowest ticket that I would see.


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#82 2008-08-31 12:29 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

bratboy wrote:

But do you really think that when plans are laid out for the placement of signs (and believe me, there are likely plans upon plans made for tiny details such as this) there is some overarching agenda in place to trick people into violating the law?  Especially in a city so large?

Yes.  How else are they supposed to pay for a police force nearly 4,000% larger than it ought to be?  How else can they fund the war on drugs?  How else can they finance a police force better armed than the citizenry?

bratboy wrote:

If money were the issue, why wouldn't cops settle on the first guy who drives by going above the limit?

Because radar guns have a margin of error, and they've been beat in court enough times to not bother.


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#83 2008-08-31 12:40 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

Daniel wrote:

Yes.  How else are they supposed to pay for a police force nearly 4,000% larger than it ought to be?  How else can they fund the war on drugs?  How else can they finance a police force better armed than the citizenry?

Sorry, I still think you're demonstrating a profound ignorance for the process involved.  H

Because radar guns have a margin of error, and they've been beat in court enough times to not bother.

I never lost a ticket based on a "margin of error."

Look, I get your anti-cop thing and it's obviously something you feel quite passionately about.  My suggestion is to stick to those legitimate grievances against them.  You can't expect people to take you seriously when you start in with this conspiracy theory nonsense about how the cops are pulling strings everywhere in some devious attempt to further their desired police state.


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#84 2008-08-31 12:44 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

bratboy wrote:

But do you really think that when plans are laid out for the placement of signs (and believe me, there are likely plans upon plans made for tiny details such as this) there is some overarching agenda in place to trick people into violating the law?  Especially in a city so large? 

If money were the issue, why wouldn't cops settle on the first guy who drives by going above the limit?  I pass police monitoring traffic speed all the time while exceeding the speed limit, and haven't been pulled over for speeding since I was 16.  When I worked in traffic court, 10 mph over the limit was generally the lowest ticket that I would see.

I know that people are involved in the placement of signs, but the lights are the more pressing issue.

There have been lawsuits against the city government for their programming of stoplights to only stay on yellow for a very short amount of time.

The Albuquerque city government decided to install the red light and speed cameras on as many stoplights as possible, and made the fine $100 for going just one mile over the speed limit, with almost no recourse to legally challenge these fines.

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#85 2008-08-31 12:44 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

Do proceeds from traffic fines even go to funding the police in your area?


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#86 2008-08-31 12:50 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

matt wrote:

I know that people are involved in the placement of signs, but the lights are the more pressing issue.

There have been lawsuits against the city government for their programming of stoplights to only stay on yellow for a very short amount of time.

The Albuquerque city government decided to install the red light and speed cameras on as many stoplights as possible, and made the fine $100 for going just one mile over the speed limit, with almost no recourse to legally challenge these fines.

The first article I found about that.

Castillo said in a phone call this week that the city has done no yellow-light monkeying and that the Montgomery-San Mateo intersection yellows have been and remain at 4 seconds.

"The timing of the yellow has been consistent before Redflex (the red-camera company) was installed, through its installation, through today," he said. "We have never asked workers to change them."

Castillo said workers were asked to go out to the 20 red-light camera intersections in Albuquerque to double-check the timing and found no discrepancies.

He also said he offered to show Villanucci years of timing records of various intersection lights but received no response to his offer.

The offer stands for any member of the public who requests it.

shrug

Anything else happen on that front?


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#87 2008-08-31 2:41 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

The city's response is bullsmurf. The yellow lights at the San Mateo-Montgomery intersection last three seconds, that intersection is partway down a really long slope(Montgomery Blvd.).

There are videos of the lights in question.

Poor timing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxCjXFZHMsE

Mistakes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fC-_J2yCU8

Some Albuquerque City Councilors were trying to get the cameras disabled:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NORVrpxn5tc

Then the state said it wanted the money from the cameras:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMPVE_dPtU&NR=1

And without that revenue(surprise surprise), CABQ stopped the cameras:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FJRwaTwO4s

Then Albuquerque's Mayor Martin Chavez(someone a lot like George W. Bush, who's more interested in *the impression* that he's done anything useful than in actually doing anything useful) had the cameras turned back on.

Now they're going to limit fines to $75, rather than the current $100 for first offense, and $250 for each subsequent offense:
http://alibi.com/index.php?scn=news& … ullstory=y

I'm thinking about getting one of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LoVEyL1dmQ

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#88 2008-08-31 3:19 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

bratboy wrote:

Look, I get your anti-cop thing and it's obviously something you feel quite passionately about.  My suggestion is to stick to those legitimate grievances against them.  You can't expect people to take you seriously when you start in with this conspiracy theory nonsense about how the cops are pulling strings everywhere in some devious attempt to further their desired police state.

It's not conspiracy theory nonsense.  I lurk on several cop forums.  The smurf they say, practice, preach, and do is horrifying.


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#89 2008-08-31 12:58 pm

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

Daniel wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Look, I get your anti-cop thing and it's obviously something you feel quite passionately about.  My suggestion is to stick to those legitimate grievances against them.  You can't expect people to take you seriously when you start in with this conspiracy theory nonsense about how the cops are pulling strings everywhere in some devious attempt to further their desired police state.

It's not conspiracy theory nonsense.  I lurk on several cop forums.  The smurf they say, practice, preach, and do is horrifying.

And they're all talking about how they police departments are gettin' rich off of speeding tickets?

brow

Do you know how many tickets I dismissed on a daily basis because the officers that issued them simply wouldn't show up to court (usually because they chose to spend whatever time they were off the jobs with their families)?  Seems like a major hole in that conspiracy! (The other being that in many cities, to my knowledge, ticket fines go into the general coffers or are directed at something else entirely.)


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#90 2008-09-02 10:01 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

I'm surprised there haven't been news reports about an increase in road rage incidents. Getting stuck behind cars doing 50-60 on the freeway and not being able to get around them because they're slowing down 2 of the lanes is enough to make anyone want to run em off the raod.


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#91 2008-09-02 10:42 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

bratboy wrote:

Daniel wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Look, I get your anti-cop thing and it's obviously something you feel quite passionately about.  My suggestion is to stick to those legitimate grievances against them.  You can't expect people to take you seriously when you start in with this conspiracy theory nonsense about how the cops are pulling strings everywhere in some devious attempt to further their desired police state.

It's not conspiracy theory nonsense.  I lurk on several cop forums.  The smurf they say, practice, preach, and do is horrifying.

And they're all talking about how they police departments are gettin' rich off of speeding tickets?

brow

Do you know how many tickets I dismissed on a daily basis because the officers that issued them simply wouldn't show up to court (usually because they chose to spend whatever time they were off the jobs with their families)?  Seems like a major hole in that conspiracy! (The other being that in many cities, to my knowledge, ticket fines go into the general coffers or are directed at something else entirely.)

I wonder haw many secondary charges resulted from the speeding stops?


One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. It is simply too painful to acknowledge even to ourselves that we've been so credulous. -Carl Sagan

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#92 2008-09-02 11:44 am

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

zoees wrote:

I wonder haw many secondary charges resulted from the speeding stops?

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, but most of those would have been handled in the same setting at the same time--suspended license, failure to present insurance, expired plates, etc.


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#93 2008-09-02 12:52 pm

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Re: Aggressive, reckless drivers

bratboy wrote:

zoees wrote:

I wonder haw many secondary charges resulted from the speeding stops?

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, but most of those would have been handled in the same setting at the same time--suspended license, failure to present insurance, expired plates, etc.

Speeding tickets don't add up nearly as fast as drug charges. And you can't just start pulling people over whilly-nilly until you find some. Speeding, broken tail lights, any other bullsmurf excuse they can think of to get around your privacy rights in order to get meet that quota.

Those prisons need to show a profit. The shareholders demand their money!


One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. It is simply too painful to acknowledge even to ourselves that we've been so credulous. -Carl Sagan

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