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isaly wrote:

everlong, Obama, as far as I understand, has NEVER played the race card in this entire campaign. If you can show me a direct quote of him (not some teevee blowhard) actually doing it, I'll eat my words.

Additionally, except for the sweetie gaffe, the same holds true for the "sexist card?" as well.

Can you show otherwise?

If not STFU.

Obama wrote:

"What they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

wiki on race card wrote:

In the less critical sense, the phrase is commonly used in two contexts. In the first, and more common context, it alleges that someone has deliberately and falsely accused another person of being a racist in order to gain some sort of advantage

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I read that quote as basically shutting down discussions of race in the campaign. I thought it was smart. He didn't accuse anyone of anything, he preemptively stopped them from doing so.

"What they're going to try to do" isn't an accusation.
ahuh

JakeTheTall wrote:

Can Gov Palin say she's a hockey mom without playing the gender card ?  You're saying Obama can't point out he's black ?

Farmerkev wrote:

wiki on race card wrote:

In the less critical sense, the phrase is commonly used in two contexts. In the first, and more common context, it alleges that someone has deliberately and falsely accused another person of being a racist in order to gain some sort of advantage

(My bolding)

You think members of the Republican Party and their assorted media friends haven't said anything racist about Obama ?!

It was claimed that Obama hadn't played the race card and evidence was demanded.
I provided it.

everlong554 wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I read that quote as basically shutting down discussions of race in the campaign. I thought it was smart. He didn't accuse anyone of anything, he preemptively stopped them from doing so.

Except no one actually made such arguments against obama

Which is where the word "preemptively" comes in.

Farmerkev wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I read that quote as basically shutting down discussions of race in the campaign. I thought it was smart. He didn't accuse anyone of anything, he preemptively stopped them from doing so.

"What they're going to try to do" isn't an accusation.
ahuh

Actually, Hillary/Rendell went there. . . right here in good ol' Pittsburgh. Now Ed was making what he felt was a statement of fact regarding the FACT that there are a lot of people who aren't willing to vote for a black man.

Additionally, it IS a fact that there are many who aren't willing to vote for a black man. Race IS very much an issue. Obama has been most excellent in not dwelling on it, in not making it a theme in his campaign, and talking about differences being an issue for everyone.

I don't think that qualifies as the "race card".

bedstuy wrote:

The bottom line however, is even if that one instance was playing the race card (and it's not clear), the fact remains that the-anti-playing-any-card™ party is now playing the omgsexism card OVER AND OVER AND OVER in situations where it's utterly and transparently laughable.

Basically it all makes the past couple decades conservative shibboleth about card playing one big massive steaming pile of horse smurf, so I can't even take Kevin's screeching on this subject.

Hey, c'mon! Aren't you happy that they've had their liberal awakening?

Granted, nary a campaign has passed without ad hominen nonsense. However, the media as it is today is quite a different animal than any time prior. In many ways.

Here's a comment I found over MDN just a couple min. ago about the second Bill&Jerry ad:

A new, painful pair of shoes that you finally break in and get used to. The crazy relative that you learn to live with. Your bedroom, your house, your family - warts and all. You don't really want to change.

That's what this ad was about.

People can adapt to and tolerate discomfort. Consider Windows, consider the political situation of the last 8 years. You don't want scary, new change. Stay with the same old pain.

Just so.

Last edited by daemon (2008-09-12 5:09 pm)

I'm merely making the statement that Obama's run a clean campaign and not played the race or sex card, with the possible exception of the "sweetie" gaffe. . . which was just a gaffe. . . and I'll certainly allow that you provided an example which I responded to with my opinion.

Last edited by isaly (2008-09-12 5:18 pm)

isaly wrote:

I'm merely making the statement that Obama's run a clean campaign and not played the race or sex card, with the possible exception of the "sweetie" gaffe. . . which was just a gaffe. . . and I'll certainly allow that you provided an example which I responded to with my opinion.

To be honest, I could kiss the ground Obama walks on for his masterful speech on race. It truly was one of the best on the topic I've ever heard. I forced both my girls to watch it in it's entirety. If they would all talk with such honesty about all our issues I can't imagine the heights America could reach.
That said, the guy is still a politician and has more flaws and warts than a witch in a Grimm's tale and I dislike most of his platform.

everlong554 wrote:

isaly wrote:

They are not subjective ! ! ! They're not seeing anything. People who see insults where none are meant are usually called PARANOID !

You're just being completely dishonest. Why you persist, if you're not completely stupid, is just plain evil.

As nirvana said "Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you".

Paranoia is an irrational fear that someone is out to get you.  If someone is actually out to get you then the fear you feel is not irrational but is rather based on an accurate perception of your environment and the intentions of others.

Or, put very succinctly: no.

oatmeal wrote:

everlong554 wrote:

isaly wrote:

They are not subjective ! ! ! They're not seeing anything. People who see insults where none are meant are usually called PARANOID !

You're just being completely dishonest. Why you persist, if you're not completely stupid, is just plain evil.

As nirvana said "Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you".

Paranoia is an irrational fear that someone is out to get you.  If someone is actually out to get you then the fear you feel is not irrational but is rather based on an accurate perception of your environment and the intentions of others.

Or, put very succinctly: no.

are you calling Kurt Cobain a liar?

How about if you're a hypochondriac and also suffering from a serious disesase? I would think the fact that you're suffering from a disease doesn't change the fact that you might also have irrational fears of catching diseases not based on reality.



Seriously, and back to subject at hand,k of course the words and how someone takes them is subjective. The words that Norah O'donnell  referenced as being sexist, certainly could be viewed by some as sexist. ANd she did in fact view them that way. When reading them, and hearing her interpretation one could certainly come to the conclusion that Obama was speaking in a sexist language. Was it intentional? WHo knows. Maybe his sweetie was not a gaffe, but how he talks reflexively, and those looking for sexist language find the way he talks sexist, but he himself doesn't feel in fact that he is so. Doesn't mean though that Norah is off base in her characterization either.

Farmerkev wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

The bottom line however, is even if that one instance was playing the race card (and it's not clear), the fact remains that the-anti-playing-any-card™ party is now playing the omgsexism card OVER AND OVER AND OVER in situations where it's utterly and transparently laughable.

Basically it all makes the past couple decades conservative shibboleth about card playing one big massive steaming pile of horse smurf, so I can't even take Kevin's screeching on this subject.

Providing a demanded example is hardly screeching now is it.
Are you not guilty of the very thing you're damning the R's for?

You're quickly becoming insufferably absurd.

bedstuy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

The bottom line however, is even if that one instance was playing the race card (and it's not clear), the fact remains that the-anti-playing-any-card™ party is now playing the omgsexism card OVER AND OVER AND OVER in situations where it's utterly and transparently laughable.

Basically it all makes the past couple decades conservative shibboleth about card playing one big massive steaming pile of horse smurf, so I can't even take Kevin's screeching on this subject.

Providing a demanded example is hardly screeching now is it.
Are you not guilty of the very thing you're damning the R's for?

You're quickly becoming insufferably absurd.

"Becoming"?