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#1 2008-02-08 6:23 am

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Building the ultimate B&W G3.

Well, I finally got the credit card out and put down the money to build the Ultimate Power Mac G3.

A while back, I acquired an old B&W G3 Server, 450 MHz rev. 2, with two SCSI PCI cards and a quad fast Ethernet card.

It has since been my intention to make this machine my new server, replacing the current Silicon Graphics 320 dual 650 MHz Pentium III Windows 2000 machine.

So, today I ordered a PowerLogix 1 GHz PPC750FX upgrade, 1 GB (4x 256 MB) of PC100, a four port SATA PCI card and an ATI Radeon 9200 video card. The video card is, of course, completely unnecessary for a server, but since I have always been keen on the B&W G3's, I just felt I needed to have the best possible video card in it, thus making it the Ultimate Power Mac G3.

Now, I have two PCI slots left open. Any ideas as to what I might stick in them? I was thinking maybe a gigabit Ethernet card and perhaps FW800/USB2, to top it all off?

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#2 2008-02-08 8:28 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

Alien wrote:

Now, I have two PCI slots left open. Any ideas as to what I might stick in them? I was thinking maybe a gigabit Ethernet card and perhaps FW800/USB2, to top it all off?

That would work. I can't think of much else you could use, except for specialty type stuff you wouldn't need on a server, like an A/V card or something.


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#3 2008-02-08 3:03 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

I have two old G3 towers whose parts I recently combined(One of their front panel boards is crap).

Between the two of them, I have a SCSI card, an 802.11g card, a 5-port usb2 card, an ata-133 card(One of the towers is a rev. 1), and a Radeon PCI(no number, just "Radeon").

The first one(with the bad front panel board) has a G3/300 overclocked to 350MHz with Arctic Silver 5. The second one has a G3/400 which could not be overclocked. The fan on the Radeon PCI has been removed(because I hated its high-pitched whine) and replaced with a better fan which is held on by Arctic Silver Epoxy.

Eventually I'm going to try building a Hackintosh with the second case.


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#4 2008-02-09 11:48 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

Ooh... use it as a WAP. Hadn't thought of that.


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#5 2008-02-09 5:33 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

Didn't have any 750GX left? Would have been a better chip.


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#6 2008-02-10 7:05 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

It is a GX. Typo on my part.

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#7 2008-02-10 4:20 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

I was always interested in in the idea of upgrading the B&W with a G4 CPU, but never did. A link on this page explains how.

http://xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/


Based on the findings of the report, my conclusion was that this idea was not a practical deterrent for reasons which at this moment must be all too obvious.

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#8 2008-02-11 9:41 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

My B&W has an Nvidia FX5200 card in it. It does core image......if you want to pimp out more than with a R9200!


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#9 2008-02-11 10:06 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

adamjg wrote:

I was always interested in in the idea of upgrading the B&W with a G4 CPU, but never did. A link on this page explains how.

http://xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/

Never really looked at G4 upgrades. I want I/O and raw integer processing, so the 750GX will do me nicely without reducing bus speed to 66 MHz like the G4's require.

stephen wrote:

My B&W has an Nvidia FX5200 card in it. It does core image......if you want to pimp out more than with a R9200!

Well, I'm in the process of acquiring a second 1 GHz B&W right now, so I'll bear that in mind... Although video is really not needed on a server, so no rush.

On the production server, I'll probably go without video output at all (maybe leave in the Rage128 in case of emergency), but it will sure be nice to be able to hang dual 21" Studio Displays off of the 9200 on the test server.

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#10 2008-02-28 9:04 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

I'd throw in USB2.0 and FW if you need it.  That and a wireless card.  There are numerous third party ones that work (unoficially, as you won't find many advertised for Mac use that aren't crazy expensive).  Other than that....no idea.  Depends what else you want to do with it.  There's not much else you would need as a server Machine.

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#11 2008-03-05 8:54 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

so you built your own mac?


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#12 2008-03-05 9:25 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

TravisReynolds wrote:

so you built your own mac?

You can't legally do this with mac OS X. It's an old PowerMac.


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#13 2008-03-06 10:45 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

FutureDreamz wrote:

TravisReynolds wrote:

so you built your own mac?

You can't legally do this with mac OS X. It's an old PowerMac.

Not exactly.


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#14 2008-03-06 7:00 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

dvpierce wrote:

FutureDreamz wrote:

TravisReynolds wrote:

so you built your own mac?

You can't legally do this with mac OS X. It's an old PowerMac.

Not exactly.

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I stand corrected.


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#15 2008-04-21 12:38 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

adamjg wrote:

I was always interested in in the idea of upgrading the B&W with a G4 CPU, but never did. A link on this page explains how.

http://xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/

I've got a B&W with a G4/450 (originally a G3/350) in it, unfortunately, the logic board is dead.  sad  Very easy to upgrade.


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#16 2008-04-21 4:08 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

The logic boards aren't that expensive.  Well, at least the old PowerMac G4's aren't.  I bought one for my Gigabit Ethernet for like $30 when I thought the ethernet port on mine went dead (it came back to life and I sold the board for the same price).  Maybe the G3's are more expensive?

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#17 2008-04-25 3:31 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

No. I have been finding Rev1 G3 boards for less than $20 in SoCal and Rev2 boards are roughly $35. I picked up a Rev2 to replace my flakey Rev1 and my home server is much happier now.


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#18 2008-10-02 7:30 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

Well, update time, as I've been playing with the upgraded G3's, again, lately.

First off, they're running Tiger Server 10.4.9, because PowerLogix apparently abandonded the ZIF upgrades and never released the control software for use with 10.4.10 or higher. Bummer, since it had me running them both at 500 MHz for a while on 10.4.11.

Other than that, they're both running beautifully. Nice and snappy. I'm gonna order a 4-port SATA card and Radeon 9200 for the backup machine, too, so that I'll have the exact same hardware on both machines. Too bad there isn't VM software for Macs, or I'd be able to partition the backup machine into separate development/test/mirror environments.

Next up are USB2/FW800 cards, and I'm also planning to put DVD drives into both, maybe even DVD-RW (depending on price), and I have one IDE ZIP750, so if I can score another one of those, I'll be golden in the sneakernet department, too.

That leaves only one thing to wish for: gigabit Ethernet. Anyone got any recommendations there? I'm thinking of scoring Apple PCI-X cards intended for the xServe, but I've seen cheaper ones floating around eBay, too.

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#19 2008-10-02 10:48 am

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#20 2008-10-02 11:10 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

$187.99 .... Ouch. Nice card, though, especially with link aggregation.

Won't work with Mac OS < 10.4.11, though. sad

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#21 2008-10-02 11:22 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

There's a crapload of cheap RealTek ones on eBay, though. Cool.

Anyone know of a PCI FW800/USB2 card? All I can find is a Sonnet FW400/USB2 one.

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#22 2008-10-02 11:50 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

Most any generic card should work with the standard drivers. It's the Ethernet chipsets where compatibility sucks.

I think the first GB Ethernet G4s used Realtek chips though. It's possible worth a gamble. Unfortunately, XLR8s compatibility database doesn't seem to cover Ethernet cards.


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#23 2008-10-02 11:27 pm

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

You can check the Hackintosh sites for compatibility with PCI gigabit cards. I remember seeing a post about a $9 card off Newegg that had a working driver.

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#24 2008-10-06 7:00 am

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Re: Building the ultimate B&W G3.

Hmmm ... as per usual, the Sonnet product appears to be, of course, some rebranded OEM card with a purple PCB.

Would be nice if something like this one worked, though.

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#25 2008-10-06 8:38 am

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Would be nice if something like this one worked, though.

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