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#51 2008-10-07 10:59 pm

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Re: FREE BEER!

Mr. T wrote:

Why not find somebody on the street, and offer the beer in person?  If you did that, I'd take the beer in a heartbeat and even call you awesome for it.  I just hate to see good beer go to waste.

But it wasn't good beer.

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#52 2008-10-07 11:14 pm

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Re: FREE BEER!

justine wrote:

iSeamas wrote:

justine wrote:

I was curious because i have a few bottles of some Maudite, a strong dark Belgian ale. I don't drink it often, but i always have it here for when i do want it. What kind of time frame am i looking at with it in the fridge?

I'd imagine something like that could last months in the fridge.
I know of beer geeks who cellar that stuff for 1-3 years.

Thanks for the info. Most of the beer i buy gets consumed pretty quickly so it's not a worry, but the Maudite doesn't.

A friend of mine has a six pack of harlet davidson label beer from back in the early 90s - it was some promotional thing.

I bet it would taste like smurf now.
Hell - may have then.

He's not going to ever drink it though, he said he's going to eBay it when it is 50 years old.


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#53 2008-10-08 12:08 am

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Re: FREE BEER!

resedit wrote:

A friend of mine has a six pack of harlet davidson label beer from back in the early 90s - it was some promotional thing.

I bet it would taste like smurf now.
Hell - may have then.

He's not going to ever drink it though, he said he's going to eBay it when it is 50 years old.

That's not likely to be worth anything unless it's some sort of commemorative bottle, and even then, it's probably not worth the cost of the bottle.


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#54 2008-10-08 12:59 am

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It was a commemorative edition.
I don't remember what for though.

Don't really care too much - if it isn't worth anything, it's not like he's out a major investment.


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#55 2008-10-08 4:11 am

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Re: FREE BEER!

justine wrote:

I was curious because i have a few bottles of some Maudite, a strong dark Belgian ale. I don't drink it often, but i always have it here for when i do want it. What kind of time frame am i looking at with it in the fridge?

It should last a long time.  And thats some really good beer.  I had a six pack of it a month or so ago.  Delish!


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#56 2008-10-08 9:05 am

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Re: FREE BEER!

I've been seriously kicking myself for drinking my six-pack of Billy Beer.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#57 2008-10-09 9:20 am

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Re: FREE BEER!

resedit wrote:

justine wrote:

iSeamas wrote:


I'd imagine something like that could last months in the fridge.
I know of beer geeks who cellar that stuff for 1-3 years.

Thanks for the info. Most of the beer i buy gets consumed pretty quickly so it's not a worry, but the Maudite doesn't.

A friend of mine has a six pack of harlet davidson label beer from back in the early 90s - it was some promotional thing.

I bet it would taste like smurf now.
Hell - may have then.

He's not going to ever drink it though, he said he's going to eBay it when it is 50 years old.

I doubt it would have any added value from being full. The collectors usually just want the cans. I'd drain the cans, collectors like to have the pull tab intact, so they drain the beer with nail holes at the bottom. Then again I am assuming that these are cans.


I have read articles by beer geeks who have actually opened and sampled very old beer. I'm talking about things like 50 year old bottles of Trommer's White Label and Rheingold.
Of course making sure that caps still had clean seals an whatnot.

As one would imagine, the stuff was pretty stale, but some of the samples were still lively carbonated, and I don't think the samplers got any intestinal distress afterwards.

I also read a recent review by someone who sampled some cryogenically frozen Budweiser from 1985.
Anheuser Busch actually has had a program for some time where they cryogenically freeze a number of samples of there beer over the years -in an effort to keep tabs on quality control.

Interestingly enough, their quality control isn't doing what it should (keep consistancy), from a side by side comparison by the panel with which he participated, the 1985 Budweiser had a fuller body and a more assertive crispness than the Budweiser of today.
I take from this the understanding that Anheuser Bush is market testing their core user group, who favor an even more waterey flavor beer profile.

Bud drinkers don't want their beer to taste like beer.


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#58 2008-10-09 9:26 am

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Re: FREE BEER!

iSeamas wrote:

I doubt it would have any added value from being full. The collectors usually just want the cans. I'd drain the cans, collectors like to have the pull tab intact, so they drain the beer with nail holes at the bottom. Then again I am assuming that these are cans.

Why wouldn't you just let the collector decide if they wanted the beer in the bottle / can.

It's not doing any harm in there, why would you go out of the way to potentially lower the value of something when it doesn't effect you the way it is.


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#59 2008-10-09 10:51 am

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Re: FREE BEER!

mrreet2001 wrote:

iSeamas wrote:

I doubt it would have any added value from being full. The collectors usually just want the cans. I'd drain the cans, collectors like to have the pull tab intact, so they drain the beer with nail holes at the bottom. Then again I am assuming that these are cans.

Why wouldn't you just let the collector decide if they wanted the beer in the bottle / can.

It's not doing any harm in there, why would you go out of the way to potentially lower the value of something when it doesn't effect you the way it is.

Does it bring down the value to have the can drained?
I've not seen that to be the case (in collector's circles).

I haven't been part of the can collecting world for some time, but there was no more than a negigable value added to having a full can opposed to a clean, (mint condition) drained can, and I never knew of a collector keeping full cans around -even when there were products like Billy and certain Old Frothingslosh and commemorative cans that were known to only have a short production schedule (and this was back in the hey-day of beer can collecting).


An air-filled can, does have an added value in thart they are a rarity (can processed, sealed and released, but with no beer inside), a processing error.


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#60 2008-10-09 10:56 am

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user wrote:

I've been seriously kicking myself for drinking my six-pack of Billy Beer.

Since the '70s was the hey-day of can collecting, I can tell you that probably hald of the Billy produced was purchase by collectors. It is probably the LEAST rare beer can from the 1970s.


A tip for new collectors: The 1970s saw a huge influx of "special" cans specifically aimed at collectors, including the infamous Billy Beer can. While you may see ads for the "rare" Billy Beer can on EBay, keep in mind that an estimated two billion cans were made (that's the lowest estimate) and the word "rare" is most likely used to separate new beer can collectors from their money.


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#61 2008-10-09 11:17 am

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Re: FREE BEER!

iSeamas wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

iSeamas wrote:

I doubt it would have any added value from being full. The collectors usually just want the cans. I'd drain the cans, collectors like to have the pull tab intact, so they drain the beer with nail holes at the bottom. Then again I am assuming that these are cans.

Why wouldn't you just let the collector decide if they wanted the beer in the bottle / can.

It's not doing any harm in there, why would you go out of the way to potentially lower the value of something when it doesn't effect you the way it is.

Does it bring down the value to have the can drained?
I've not seen that to be the case (in collector's circles).

I haven't been part of the can collecting world for some time, but there was no more than a negigable value added to having a full can opposed to a clean, (mint condition) drained can, and I never knew of a collector keeping full cans around -even when there were products like Billy and certain Old Frothingslosh and commemorative cans that were known to only have a short production schedule (and this was back in the hey-day of beer can collecting).


An air-filled can, does have an added value in thart they are a rarity (can processed, sealed and released, but with no beer inside), a processing error.

I think you missed the point ... What is the harm in having the beer in there? To me it just seem pointless to drain the can, when it could potentially reduce the value.


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#62 2008-10-09 11:25 am

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Re: FREE BEER!

mrreet2001 wrote:

iSeamas wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:


Why wouldn't you just let the collector decide if they wanted the beer in the bottle / can.

It's not doing any harm in there, why would you go out of the way to potentially lower the value of something when it doesn't effect you the way it is.

Does it bring down the value to have the can drained?
I've not seen that to be the case (in collector's circles).

I haven't been part of the can collecting world for some time, but there was no more than a negigable value added to having a full can opposed to a clean, (mint condition) drained can, and I never knew of a collector keeping full cans around -even when there were products like Billy and certain Old Frothingslosh and commemorative cans that were known to only have a short production schedule (and this was back in the hey-day of beer can collecting).


An air-filled can, does have an added value in thart they are a rarity (can processed, sealed and released, but with no beer inside), a processing error.

I think you missed the point ... What is the harm in having the beer in there? To me it just seem pointless to drain the can, when it could potentially reduce the value.

Does it reduce the value?

You keep saying it could potentially reduce the value, and I am telling you that there is no real history to that.
As for doing harm--combustion is a factor, as is weakening seals. Were a full can to fall to the floor, it is damaged. An empty can will much beter handle a fall. Storing empty cans is much easier-- a wall display of full cans is very heavy.

But again, this isn't the issue, the issue is whether a full can has more value.
Does it?


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#63 2008-10-09 2:11 pm

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"potential": the possibility of something happening or of someone doing something in the future


I never said it increases or decrease the value. I said it has the potential to decrease the value.
Franky I don't collect beer cans but I do have some collector and antique pop cans and bottles and I enjoy the full ones better, so I would be willing to pay more for an untampered can or bottle if I were to buy more... Granted I may not represent "market value" but I do represent "potential" value increase.

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#64 2008-10-09 2:54 pm

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mrreet2001 wrote:

I never said it increases or decrease the value. I said it has the potential to decrease the value.
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Right, and I am adressing that point.
What decreases value has nothing to do with it being full or not --it has everything to do with the condition of the can (especially the face) itself.
The highest grade of can is "mint condition" and there is no distinction there as to full or empty.
Scratches, corrosion, wear and tear, dents are what decrease value.
Were there some potential for there to be a decrease in value for the can being empty, there'd be some evidence of it over the decades of people trading and collecting them.

Were we talking about a rarified beer that ages well (typical american Pilsner types DON'T age well at all), you'd see a different manner of collecting/pricing -but the Harley and Billy beers aren't in that realm.


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#65 2008-10-09 3:50 pm

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It still has a POTENTIAL of reducing it's value ... and since it doesn't increase in value when you empty it why would you.


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#66 2008-10-09 4:09 pm

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mrreet2001 wrote:

It still has a POTENTIAL of reducing it's value ... and since it doesn't increase in value when you empty it why would you.

Because a FULL can has more risk of being damaged than an empty can.

Like I said there is NO track record of an empty can having less value than a full one (Empty cans are rated as "mint" all the time)-so the potential is nil.


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#67 2008-10-09 4:56 pm

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A note -

These are cans, and they still have the plastic thing that holds the six pack together.
Apparently beer can collectors pay more when they are intact in the original six pack like that.


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#68 2008-10-09 4:57 pm

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Oh - and from my understanding, Billy Beer was a rather crappy beer when it was fresh.


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#69 2008-10-09 5:50 pm

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Re: FREE BEER!

resedit wrote:

Oh - and from my understanding, Billy Beer was a rather crappy beer when it was fresh.

It really doesn't matter what the beer tastes like. When it's a commemorative, you aren't paying for quality beer. You're paying for the container it came in.


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#70 2008-10-09 7:47 pm

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That may be - I'm just sayin' - I know a few (and only a few) collectors.
They collect only bottles, and they don't want bottles from crap beer, no matter what it looks like.
Most of their bottles they actually drank though, so maybe that's a different kind of collector.


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