Forums | MacLife
You are not logged in.
#1 2008-10-13 4:56 pm
- radarman
- Member

- Registered: 2005-02-28
- Posts: 3637
The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1223857 … torialPage
It was French president Nicolas Sarkozy who actually uttered the words, but you could draw the same message from watching the televised debates in the United States at both the vice-presidential and presidential level. You know that America's founding economic philosophy is in deep trouble when candidates for our nation's highest office refer easily to "Wall Street greed" and "predatory lenders" to explain the global financial crisis. And those are the Republicans.
Where are the champions of free-market capitalism? Someone needs to remind us all that two great works were published in 1776, both representing game-changing advances in human freedom: The Declaration of Independence, authored by future American president, Thomas Jefferson, and "The Wealth of Nations" by Scottish economist Adam Smith. Both embrace the social wisdom of individual liberty; both extol the importance of personal responsibility.
These days, it seems difficult to defend the efficacy, let alone the morality, of an economic approach to human interaction that is now blamed for having put the entire global economy at risk. But that is exactly what we need -- most importantly, from America's next leader.
Sometimes it takes an outsider to help us gain perspective. Deep within the condemning speeches delivered by Mr. Sarkozy, both in New York and Toulon, are the grains of a new approach to capitalism that should give Americans reason to hope, not only for economic salvation but for a sense of redemption on a deeper level. France's president held out the possibility that all is not lost, that we can fix what is broken. "The financial crisis is not the crisis of capitalism," according to Mr. Sarkozy. "It is the crisis of a system that has distanced itself from the most fundamental values of capitalism, which betrayed the spirit of capitalism."
Sounds nice. Not too likely to happen, though.
Offline
#2 2008-10-13 5:02 pm
- Ribtorus
- Member

- Registered: 2002-07-11
- Posts: 13756
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
Adam Smith vs corporatism? That'll give Wall Street the willies.
when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...
Online
#3 2008-10-13 5:23 pm
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
Where are the champions of free-market capitalism? Someone needs to remind us all that two great works were published in 1776, both representing game-changing advances in human freedom: The Declaration of Independence, authored by future American president, Thomas Jefferson, and "The Wealth of Nations" by Scottish economist Adam Smith. Both embrace the social wisdom of individual liberty; both extol the importance of personal responsibility.
Noam Chomsky wrote:
I didn’t do any research at all on Smith. I just read him. There’s no research. Just read it. He’s pre-capitalist, a figure of the Enlightenment. What we would call capitalism he despised. People read snippets of Adam Smith, the few phrases they teach in school. Everybody reads the first paragraph of The Wealth of Nations where he talks about how wonderful the division of labor is. But not many people get to the point hundreds of pages later, where he says that division of labor will destroy human beings and turn people into creatures as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human being to be. And therefore in any civilized society the government is going to have to take some measures to prevent division of labor from proceeding to its limits... It’s the same when you read Jefferson. He lived a half century later, so he saw state capitalism developing, and he despised it, of course. He said it’s going to lead to a form of absolutism worse than the one we defended ourselves against. In fact, if you run through this whole period you see a very clear, sharp critique of what we would later call capitalism and certainly of the twentieth century version of it, which is designed to destroy individual, even entrepreneurial capitalism.
"Live with your head in the lion's mouth. I want you to overcome 'em with yeses, undermine 'em with grins, agree 'em to death and destruction, let 'em swoller you till they vomit or bust wide open." -Ralph Ellison
"Overpower, overcome" -Cro-Mags
Offline
#4 2008-10-13 5:38 pm
- Warin
- Maple Leaf Wag

- From: Canada
- Registered: 2003-09-21
- Posts: 2431
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
Chomsky is a dirty socialist anarchist pig. Why the smurf would I want to even remotely listen to anything his ignorant self has to say, hmm?
(oh...
)
From what I can tell, either way, you're screwed. Bad people are punished by society's laws, and good people are punished by Murphy's Law.
-- George, Dead Like Me
Offline
#5 2008-10-13 7:12 pm
- Tallgeese
- Sternly Advising
- From: Pool Party
- Registered: 2000-10-17
- Posts: 34108
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
Warin wrote:
Chomsky is a dirty socialist anarchist pig. Why the smurf would I want to even remotely listen to anything his ignorant self has to say, hmm?
(oh...)
Because he's actually really good in his area of expertise.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
Offline
#6 2008-10-13 7:23 pm
- everlong554
- Member
- Registered: 2003-12-24
- Posts: 6865
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
Tallgeese wrote:
Warin wrote:
Chomsky is a dirty socialist anarchist pig. Why the smurf would I want to even remotely listen to anything his ignorant self has to say, hmm?
(oh...)
Because he's actually really good in his area of expertise.
anti american screeds and propaganda?
Last edited by everlong554 (2008-10-13 7:24 pm)
"YOU DISGUST ME!!!!"
Offline
#7 2008-10-13 8:00 pm
- ShnickyShnack
- ::: title edited due to Satanic influences :::

- From: Rockin' out
- Registered: 2001-05-25
- Posts: 22237
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
everlong554 wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
Warin wrote:
Chomsky is a dirty socialist anarchist pig. Why the smurf would I want to even remotely listen to anything his ignorant self has to say, hmm?
(oh...)
Because he's actually really good in his area of expertise.
anti american screeds and propaganda?
Linguistics, man, linguistics.
Note: please delete this post.
Offline
#8 2008-10-13 8:08 pm
- Tallgeese
- Sternly Advising
- From: Pool Party
- Registered: 2000-10-17
- Posts: 34108
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
everlong554 wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
Warin wrote:
Chomsky is a dirty socialist anarchist pig. Why the smurf would I want to even remotely listen to anything his ignorant self has to say, hmm?
(oh...)
Because he's actually really good in his area of expertise.
anti american screeds and propaganda?
He's one of the top linguists living you ignorant twit.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
Offline
#9 2008-10-13 8:25 pm
- Ribtorus
- Member

- Registered: 2002-07-11
- Posts: 13756
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
But does he speak American?
when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...
Online
#10 2008-10-13 10:05 pm
- [MA] Flying_Meat
- Member
- From: Frisco?
- Registered: 2001-03-31
- Posts: 8517
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
everlong554 wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
Warin wrote:
Chomsky is a dirty socialist anarchist pig. Why the smurf would I want to even remotely listen to anything his ignorant self has to say, hmm?
(oh...)
Because he's actually really good in his area of expertise.
anti american screeds and propaganda?



who said conservatives don't have a sense of humor.
...and watch out for the flying meat!
Offline
#11 2008-10-14 8:15 am
- user
- Your plastic pal who's fun to be with

- From: I'm not getting you down, am I
- Registered: 2001-10-15
- Posts: 16035
Re: The Frenchman's Capitalist Manifesto?
But is he cunning?
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
Offline
