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#1 2008-10-14 7:04 pm

Warin
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Prominent Conservative backs...

Obama

It is nice to see true conservatives grow weary of the neo-con bullsmurf and at least attempt to chart a course to purge neo-con BS from the Republican party.  Alas, I think it might be too late.


From what I can tell, either way, you're screwed. Bad people are punished by society's laws, and good people are punished by Murphy's Law.
-- George, Dead Like Me

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#2 2008-10-14 7:26 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

You must have missed it here.


BOYCOTT SONY

"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992

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#3 2008-10-14 7:33 pm

Warin
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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

Woops! (I am just so original!!)


From what I can tell, either way, you're screwed. Bad people are punished by society's laws, and good people are punished by Murphy's Law.
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#4 2008-10-14 7:35 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

I misread the title at first and thought it would be about Alan Keyes.


QUESTION: What did Iraqi have to do with that?
BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?
QUESTION: The attacks upon the World Trade Center.
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#5 2008-10-14 8:17 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

I read (at TPM?) that Buckley resigned from National Review after his endorsement of Obama caused an avalanche of hate mail.


... I forget why I'm forwarding that information.

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#6 2008-10-14 8:18 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

Tallgeese wrote:

I misread the title at first

Thank you, so did I.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#7 2008-10-15 5:31 am

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

His allowance has been cut off:

"It's a good thing my dear old mum and pup are no longer alive. They'd cut off my allowance," he wrote.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … c-politics

The penalty turned out to be more severe. William F. Buckley Jr.'s son said yesterday that he had lost his back-page column in National Review, the conservative bible founded by his father.

"Within hours, poor NR was being swamped with furious mail, 'Cancel my subscription, this is betrayal, Judas, Benedict Arnold,' " Buckley, 56, said in an interview. "I thought the decent thing to do would be to offer to resign the column. Well, they accepted it."

Buckley can't be completely disappeared; the Washington author owns one-seventh of National Review and serves on the magazine's board. But he is the latest right-leaning pundit to be slammed by his side for criticizing or breaking with John McCain.

National Review editor Rich Lowry, a Bill Buckley protege, told readers in a posting that the younger Buckley had been writing the column for several months on a trial basis, although Buckley believed it was permanent.

Orwell Wrote:
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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#8 2008-10-15 10:38 am

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

I'm sure he actually meant his parents when he said his parents, not his father's company. Even Bush backer Dennis Hopper has even decide to back Obama.

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#9 2008-10-15 4:23 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

Kristol's in televised a tiff with the McCain campaign and Kathleen Parker claims she's got death threats after questioning Palin's abilities. Now Buckley. These are supposed to be "A" list pundit talent. Another 4 years of Republican presidency would go a long way to wiping out many of these propagandists; there's a limit to how stupid they're willing to appear in their support of obvious incompetence.

But instead, they'll be thrown some fresh democrat meat during the worst possible set of political and economic times reasonably imaginable, and they'll come roaring back. Not much can be done about it I suppose.


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#10 2008-10-15 5:06 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

Ribtorus wrote:

But instead, they'll be thrown some fresh democrat meat during the worst possible set of political and economic times reasonably imaginable, and they'll come roaring back. Not much can be done about it I suppose.

That's really the most interesting part, total Dem control looks very possible.
Just like the Reps before them, no excuses for they do.


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#11 2008-10-16 1:24 pm

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It seems it was Kristol and his neo-con friends who pushed Palin as VP because they figure her as a blank slate, the next Bush. And McCain's campaign is all too aware of the damage her selection has done to his broader electibility. So Neo-cons looking to 2012 may have torpedoed McCain. I can see why there'd be some bitterness there. Those who takes Kristol's advice deserve what they get; the man's a moron of the first order.

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#12 2008-10-16 1:32 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

Becoming more liberal is tantamount to becoming more open-minded.

God forbid.


I dont say that there is no God.  I'm not an atheist because I find atheism to be a mirror of the certainty of religion and I don't like certainty about the next world because we can't know. What I say, what I say is "I don't know."
- Bill Maher on the Daily Show, September 30, 2008

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#13 2008-10-16 6:52 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

Farmerkev wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

But instead, they'll be thrown some fresh democrat meat during the worst possible set of political and economic times reasonably imaginable, and they'll come roaring back. Not much can be done about it I suppose.

That's really the most interesting part, total Dem control looks very possible.
Just like the Reps before them, no excuses for they do.

I don't any of us here are in any mood to offer the Dems any excuses, do you?


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#14 2008-10-16 7:13 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

I don't think the majority of us here are in any mood to offer any politician any excuses this upcoming term.

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#15 2008-10-16 7:24 pm

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user wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

But instead, they'll be thrown some fresh democrat meat during the worst possible set of political and economic times reasonably imaginable, and they'll come roaring back. Not much can be done about it I suppose.

That's really the most interesting part, total Dem control looks very possible.
Just like the Reps before them, no excuses for they do.

I don't any of us here are in any mood to offer the Dems any excuses, do you?

Nooooooooooooooo.
I'd never imagine such an event.
Stand up Chuck!


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#16 2008-10-17 7:55 am

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

Kathleen Parker, another pilloried righty, comes to the defense of Buckley.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … inionsbox1

Radical conservatives are still having an interesting time of it, though these days they are being mutilated by fellow "conservatives." The well-fed Right now cultivates ignorance as a political strategy and humiliates itself when its brightest sons seek sanctuary in the solitude of personal honor.

The truth few wish to utter is that the GOP has abandoned many conservatives, who mostly nurse their angst in private. Those chickens we keep hearing about have indeed come home to roost. Years of pandering to the extreme wing -- the "kooks" the senior Buckley tried to separate from the right -- have created a party no longer attentive to its principles.

Instead, as Christopher Buckley pointed out in a blog post on thedailybeast.com explaining his departure from National Review, eight years of "conservatism" have brought us "a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance."

NRO has its share of "kooks". Its online editor herself being one.


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#17 2008-10-17 10:22 am

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

georgetown cocktail party conservatives


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#18 2008-10-17 11:54 am

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"Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders’ equity, myself especially, are in a state of shocked disbelief." -- Alan Greenspan

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#19 2008-10-17 12:02 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

Powell’s unassailable national security credentials...

really


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#20 2008-10-17 12:26 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Here's another one: Colin Powell might be about to endorse Obama

I've been seeing that rumor all year.


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#21 2008-10-17 12:35 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

Tallgeese wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Here's another one: Colin Powell might be about to endorse Obama

I've been seeing that rumor all year.

I've seen that one too.  I still haven't forgotten the impressive way he threw away his credibility at the UN and I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers it.  As such, I'm not really holding my breath for him to endorse Obama.


I dont say that there is no God.  I'm not an atheist because I find atheism to be a mirror of the certainty of religion and I don't like certainty about the next world because we can't know. What I say, what I say is "I don't know."
- Bill Maher on the Daily Show, September 30, 2008

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#22 2008-10-17 1:17 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

It would still be a huge blow psychologically to the righties.

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#23 2008-10-17 1:40 pm

zeitgeist
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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

bedstuy wrote:

It would still be a huge blow psychologically to the righties.

The very reason I'm not outright opposed to the idea that he would do it.  As I say, though, I won't hold my breath for it.


I dont say that there is no God.  I'm not an atheist because I find atheism to be a mirror of the certainty of religion and I don't like certainty about the next world because we can't know. What I say, what I say is "I don't know."
- Bill Maher on the Daily Show, September 30, 2008

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#24 2008-10-17 6:42 pm

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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

...and another one gone, and another one gone.....

Regressive wingnut Michael Smerconish wrote:

"I've decided," he said. "My conclusion comes after reading the candidates' memoirs and campaign platforms, attending both party conventions, interviewing both men multiple times, and watching all primary and general election debates.

"John McCain is an honorable man who has served his country well. But he will not get my vote. For the first time since registering as a Republican 28 years ago, I'm voting for a Democrat for president.

"I may have been an appointee in the George H.W. Bush administration, and master of ceremonies for George W. Bush in 2004, but last Saturday I stood amidst the crowd at an Obama event in North Philadelphia," says the Republican.


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#25 2008-10-17 7:33 pm

user
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Re: Prominent Conservative backs...

OH smurf

(who is he now?)

(don't really care, it's just remarkable that they're publicly switching allegiance to black jesus this way...)


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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