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#1 2008-10-24 6:33 pm
- ShnickyShnack
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Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
The Congressional Democrats have gone along with pretty much everything Dubya wanted. Even now, with the guy's approval ratings in the smurf, they're still climbing over each other to throw tax dollars at the financial markets.
Lots of Democrats are hoping the party will not only expand its control over both houses of Congress, but perhaps even achieve a filibuster-proof majority so they can do whatever the hell they want.
Any thoughts on what sorts of things they'll try to accomplish? Or will they just bend over for whoever's in the White House, leaving the thinking to him?
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#2 2008-10-24 6:36 pm
- JakeTheTall
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Yes.
But less nervous than the idea of Senator McCain and Governor Palin in the White House.
Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
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#3 2008-10-24 6:39 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
I'm looking forward to the baby-eating celebration banquet Nov 5th!
"The two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change." - Seth MacFarlane
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#4 2008-10-24 6:42 pm
Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
THe notion is false.
Unless and until I see a major initiative that isn't scuttled by screams from wingnuts.
They have a way of DQing things post haste. And finding some smoking gun to derail progress. Or, quibbling details all the way to the moon. Or teaming with Blue Dogs.
Or, coopting the change agent himself.
I'm looking for NewDeal/GreatSociety stuff. I doubt it's forthcoming.
Oh. And getting out of Iraq. Responsibly, of course. Let's see the monompoly flex on that issue.
Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
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#5 2008-10-24 6:47 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Yes, I am.
As I've said several times in the past, our best times come with divided gov't.
I fear they will be even worse than the all Rep period we've just had.
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.
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#6 2008-10-24 6:49 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
If I were a senior Democrat, I'd be worried about events overtaking the abilities of my party's leadership, (or anyone's really) and being hammered in the general press and by Murdoch's minions in particular. Attempts at laying the blame for these events at the feet of the previous leadership will seem petty even if in some cases are based on fact. Particularly bad times are coming and I'd be surprised if the Democrats have the stuff to be effective at mitigating the badness or get political credit for honest attempts.
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I just don't think I could see myself living in a house without mirrors.
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#7 2008-10-24 6:51 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Given how useless a Democratic Congress has been so far, I'm not nervous.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#9 2008-10-24 6:54 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Ribtorus wrote:
Attempts at laying the blame for these events at the feet of the previous leadership will seem petty even if in some cases are based on fact.
See now that's the one bright aspect I'm looking forward too.
I've got my stack of memes all ready, "bubububuhubut Bush did it too!!!!!!".
Good times.
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.
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#10 2008-10-24 6:55 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
JakeTheTall wrote:
Yes.
But less nervous than the idea of Senator McCain and Governor Palin in the White House.
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#11 2008-10-24 6:57 pm
Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
The operating meme currently is "No you can't". When that is rectified, then you can start a scoreboard.
BTW, nice entree for an oppo talking point, shnicks. Looking for conflict and all that other journalistic modus, eh?
Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/
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#12 2008-10-24 6:59 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
From an outsider's perspective, I'd say Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans, both privately and publicly. They have a steeper hill to climb. Any stink of failure attributed to Democratic leadership could mean a single term presidency and a short lived majority. That means maybe eight subsequent years of an increasingly radical right wing leadership in 2012 to 2020. Leadership that will make Cheney seem liberal.
I just don't think I could see myself living in a house without mirrors.
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#13 2008-10-24 7:20 pm
Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Thanks for the tidings of joy, Ribs. He's not even elected, and we've got the real 1984 on the dire wolf prowl.
Of course, I agree with you. But couldn't I just gloat for a minute or so?
Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/
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#14 2008-10-24 7:49 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
If O'Bama gets a second term, then he will have almost certainly deserved it on merit. Bush in 2004 on the other hand....
That being said, Bush's win in 2004 was a major break for far sighted Democrats. O'Bama's win might well be the same for Republicans.
This is about events, not policy.
I just don't think I could see myself living in a house without mirrors.
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#15 2008-10-24 7:55 pm
Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Guess the bailout is the paradigm. Event driven policy. No mooring. And buffetted by the screaming banshees of the right.
Reality is a sandwich I did not order.
Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/
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#16 2008-10-24 8:05 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Ribtorus wrote:
From an outsider's perspective, I'd say Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans, both privately and publicly.
What has given you this impression?
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.
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#17 2008-10-24 8:06 pm
Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob?
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#18 2008-10-24 8:31 pm
Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Larry Craig and a wide stance.
Vetter and a hooker.
Libby and a spy.
WMD's and a lie.
Rove, Gonzales, Sampson and Goodling.
Wait! Wait! There's more, I'm sure of it...
http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/
Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/
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#19 2008-10-24 8:54 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
daemon wrote:
Larry Craig and a wide stance.
Vetter and a hooker.
Libby and a spy.
WMD's and a lie.
Rove, Gonzales, Sampson and Goodling.
Wait! Wait! There's more, I'm sure of it...
http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/
So you agree then that Reps are punished for bad behavior and held to task in our culture.
Mark Foley is another good example.
Oh wait, maybe his replacement shouldn't be mentioned.
I'm sure after the election the investigation will be conducted.
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.
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#20 2008-10-24 9:25 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Rove wasn't held to anything.
Gonzales hasn't been held responsible for anything.
Goodling got a get out fo jail card. No prosecution by the Attorney General.
Actually, very few had their feet held to the fire.
I'm not dead yet.
There are 3 types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
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#21 2008-10-24 9:43 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Farmerkev wrote:
I'm sure after the election the investigation will be conducted.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) called on the House Ethics Committee to "immediately and thoroughly" investigate a report by ABC News today that Florida Rep. Tim Mahoney secretly paid his former alleged mistress and campaign staffer to prevent a sexual harassment lawsuit from going forward.
"I just learned today about the serious allegations concerning Congressman Tim Mahoney," Pelosi said in a statement. "These charges must be immediately and thoroughly investigated by the House Ethics Committee."
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
--Paul Krugman
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#22 2008-10-24 9:47 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Farmerkev wrote:
As I've said several times in the past, our best times come with divided gov't.
Examples, please.
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#23 2008-10-24 9:52 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
As I've said several times in the past, our best times come with divided gov't.
Examples, please.
The most recent would be Clinton and the Rep Revolution.
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.
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#24 2008-10-24 9:57 pm
- ShnickyShnack
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
Farmerkev wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
As I've said several times in the past, our best times come with divided gov't.
Examples, please.
The most recent would be Clinton and the Rep Revolution.
Okay, that's six years. Any others?
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#25 2008-10-24 9:59 pm
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Re: Anyone nervous about a Democratic monopoly on power?
bratboy wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
I'm sure after the election the investigation will be conducted.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) called on the House Ethics Committee to "immediately and thoroughly" investigate a report by ABC News today that Florida Rep. Tim Mahoney secretly paid his former alleged mistress and campaign staffer to prevent a sexual harassment lawsuit from going forward.
"I just learned today about the serious allegations concerning Congressman Tim Mahoney," Pelosi said in a statement. "These charges must be immediately and thoroughly investigated by the House Ethics Committee."
Rohm new in 2007. I hope you don't seriously believe Pelosi only just found out.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14534.html
I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.
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