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#1 2008-11-28 5:49 pm

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Uses of the report system

A few of you may recall that 3-4 years ago there was a time when I overused the report system. A discussion about that eventually spelled out the specific uses of the feature: offensive posts and things that could get MacAddict sued. Nothing else.

Moderators and admins specifically said the report system was NOT to be used for reporting spam posts, because most of them considered spam easy enough to spot in their own browsing of the forums.  Years later, though, many of those people are no longer mods. When I pointed out today that a thread was a spam thread, Justine told me to use the report feature next time. Of course, if I did that, other mods who might disagree with her might get annoyed.

Would the mods and admins please make it clear: should the report feature be used to report spam posts, or should it not? What specifically is the report feature for?

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#2 2008-11-28 6:04 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

I moved the UFO thread to unplugged and posted the first reply. Somebody asking about UFOs, in the wrong forum (so I moved it). Their first post here. Crazy, I know, but it has no images and no links, just text, so I didn't see a problem with it.

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Some "real" spam threads that I DID make disappear had links selling stuff.

So basically links to selling stuff=bad, porn=bad, music and/or software piracy=bad, flamewars=bad.

Just some crazy text? IMHO, that's harmless.

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#3 2008-11-28 6:11 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

I take it you'd disagree with Justine and think that specific thread did not merit reporting. Not only is it unclear whether or not spam posts should be reported, but there are differing opinions on what constitutes spam. What one mod asks for could piss off the next.

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#4 2008-11-28 6:23 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

Macskeeball wrote:

I take it you'd disagree with Justine and think that specific thread did not merit reporting. So it remains unclear, because what should and should not be reported seems to vary to some extent from one mod to the next.

basically links to selling stuff=bad, porn=bad, music and/or software piracy=bad, flamewars=bad.

If you feel personally affected by a post, please do report it.

By the way, the thread about UFOs was reported.

Now it's locked (I don't know who locked it or why)

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#5 2008-11-28 8:25 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

Let me make this clear so you can understand this, skee. I said the report function is for reporting anything that needs reporting, including spam.

The thread in question was not reported via the report button. It was only commented on in the thread itself. The post that was reported was for a second UFO thread which i deleted.

Skee, i have no idea what mods told you not to report spam with the report button. I don't know any mod that would say you aren't suppose to. It's possible you misunderstood. How are mods suppose to find out about spam if it doesn't get reported? We aren't aways around and we don't read every thread in every forum.

Oh, and i locked the thread because it was becoming a thread about forum rules. We have this forum for that.

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#6 2008-11-28 8:47 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

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Skee, i have no idea what mods told you not to report spam with the report button. I don't know any mod that would say you aren't suppose to. It's possible you misunderstood. How are mods suppose to find out about spam if it doesn't get reported? We aren't aways around and we don't read every thread in every forum.

I found the thread in question (April 2005), and it was Abu.

Abu wrote:

...Enough of us overlap with our browsing that we find those things. Hell, we usually find spammers within an hour or less. Minor maintenance issues like these almost never need reporting.


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#7 2008-11-28 9:12 pm

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Abu isn't here anymore, and there aren't that many active mods anymore.

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#8 2008-11-28 9:28 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

Indeed, things have changed which, as I wrote in the first post, is why I started this thread. Apparently using the report feature to report spam is ok now due to the change in forum circumstances, which is what I was trying to make certain.


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#9 2008-11-28 10:30 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

I usually use the report button if I find a spam thread.

Of course I am a moderator on one forum and an admin on another.


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#10 2008-11-29 1:49 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

I still stick with what Abu said.

I don't want to come here and be greeted with a ton of reports to zap on the same spam thread. I always view the forum as "new posts since your last visit", so I will spot spam threads fairly easily.

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#11 2008-11-29 3:56 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

So Justine asks for all spam to be reported, ukimalefu wants certain kinds of spam reported, and Alien doesn't want any spam reported. We're back at square one. Make up your mind, Mac|Life. You're sending conflicting messages on forum policy, and it's confusing as hell.

Also, keep in mind that sometimes spammers don't create their own easy to spot threads, but instead post within an existing thread.

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#12 2008-11-29 6:40 pm

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Dude you really do stir smurf up everywhere you go don't you.


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#13 2008-11-29 7:10 pm

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I feel 'skee raises a pretty fair question myself. If there's a clear standard to follow, there's less risk of getting jumped on because one person thinks it should be one way while someone else thinks it should be another. Additionally it makes it so if there are issues with the standard they can be cleared up.

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#14 2008-11-29 7:27 pm

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Exactly.  This is something that really should be decided on as a group by the mods and admins. As it is, following one mod's guidelines means you piss off a different mod.

My personal opinion is that the report feature should be for spam, porn, flamewars, and illegal stuff like piracy, but that's just my own personal opinion- which doesn't really matter. Give us a clear standard so that we have something to follow.

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#15 2008-11-30 1:52 am

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Re: Uses of the report system

Macskeeball wrote:

What specifically is the report feature for?

Bringing a post to the attention of logged-in moderators, or whichever moderator logs in next.

As it is, following one mod's guidelines means you piss off a different mod.

I guarantee that you will not piss any mod off by underusing the report function.

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#16 2008-11-30 3:11 am

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Also, spam is usually found quick enough, so why report it? If a spam message goes undetected for, say, a day or two, report it.

But imagine the mess if everybody starts reporting spam threads the minute they spot them? How many reports on the same thread would that result in?

No, thanks.

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#17 2008-11-30 8:07 am

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I'd say half a day to a day (12+ hours) myself.

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#18 2008-11-30 8:51 am

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Anything to report today? I'm in that kind of mood today...

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#19 2008-11-30 9:15 am

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Re: Uses of the report system

ukimalefu wrote:

Anything to report today? I'm in that kind of mood today...

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#20 2008-11-30 11:33 am

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Re: Uses of the report system

Miles wrote:

As it is, following one mod's guidelines means you piss off a different mod.

I guarantee that you will not piss any mod off by underusing the report function.

That's pretty much what happened the other day with Justine when I underused the report function and instead posted in the thread. While she didn't seem pissed off, she may have been mildly annoyed because I didn't use the report function.

Alien wrote:

Also, spam is usually found quick enough, so why report it?

Justine wrote:

How are mods suppose to find out about spam if it doesn't get reported? We aren't aways around and we don't read every thread in every forum.

Again, I'm only getting individual mods' opinions (and conflicting ones at that), not a clear standard. Sure, make time limits a part of that standard if you want, but give us members a clear standard.


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#21 2008-11-30 12:08 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

Macskeeball wrote:

Again, I'm only getting individual mods' opinions (and conflicting ones at that), not a clear standard. Sure, make time limits a part of that standard if you want, but give us members a clear standard.

There. Is. No. Standard.

That's why a bunch of mods are arguing about it in this thread. Feel free to contribute your opinions. big_smile

I'm all for not reporting spam. Report gets used enough as it is, and the things are annoying. We zap 'em when we see ;em, and if there's some spam in a part of the board no mods read for a week at a time, chances are pretty good nobody else is reading it either.


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#22 2008-11-30 1:09 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

dvpierce wrote:

There. Is. No. Standard.

That's why a bunch of mods are arguing about it in this thread.

Ah, ok. I was thinking the mods would do the arguing it out in the staff forum (or whatever it's called), eventually come to some sort of agreement, and then post the final answer here. If you mods instead want to do all that here, then ok. I'll shut up and get out of your way.

Feel free to contribute your opinions. big_smile

I posted mine already.

I wrote:

My personal opinion is that the report feature should be for spam, porn, flamewars, and illegal stuff like piracy...

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#23 2008-11-30 1:47 pm

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Macskeeball wrote:

dvpierce wrote:

There. Is. No. Standard.

That's why a bunch of mods are arguing about it in this thread.

Ah, ok. I was thinking the mods would do the arguing it out in the staff forum (or whatever it's called), eventually come to some sort of agreement, and then post the final answer here. If you mods instead want to do all that here, then ok.

Yeah, I'm scared and confused as well. blush


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#24 2008-11-30 2:48 pm

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Re: Uses of the report system

No one can be told what the "Report System" really is
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#25 2008-11-30 5:21 pm

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Who's arguing?

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