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#51 2009-02-28 9:11 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

ScifiterX wrote:

Safari > Preferences > Bookmarks
Uncheck Bookmarks Bar: [] Include Top Sites

Hey, I wasn't complaining.  I'm just saying I don't like the feature.
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(now, if I couldn't disable it, that would be another story...)

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#52 2009-02-28 9:21 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

Ah, well aside from the tabs, suggestions, and new address bar everything is reversible through the preferences or a built in toggle. The stuff that isn't reversible that way can be done using the Terminal.

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#53 2009-02-28 10:24 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

I don't know what everyones beef is with coverflow. I love it in the finder. Try browsing 100+ images taken at 3sec intervals to look for the perfect one you want. Sliding the coverflow bar left to right sure the hell beats any other viewer method!

As for it in safari it is a nice feature as well. Have you ever tried to go through your history to look up an article you once read only to have to click on 20 different links to find it? Quite simple to do now, that it has coverflow for the history.

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#54 2009-02-28 10:57 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

I like it alright when I'm doing a Spotlight search but when I'm just looking at a random folder full of images, selecting all, activating Quicklook, and then navigating with the arrow keys works as good, if not better, for me. For regular navigating, uh uh, no, no way, forget it.

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#55 2009-03-01 8:20 am

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my beef with coverflow is that it's an annoyingly inefficient way to browse files. with a folder full of image files using coverlow I can view 3 images at once, the main one and then the previous and next images, the other 6 images on the screen are covered up too much. in icon view with with the size set at 128x128 I can see 24 files at once, and the render time for them is almost nill. not like in coverflow when I scroll through and the files are blank for a bit. the only thing coverflow has going for it is that it looks kinda neat, but it's implementation makes it ugly.

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#56 2009-03-01 8:44 am

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

When did this become a thread about cover flow hate?

I like cover flow. I've used it to browse a folder full of images, though I admit that the index sheet in Quicklook is better for that. I've wished I had cover flow in 'Open' dialog windows.

Cover flow is my main view in iTunes, but only because it looks cool.

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#57 2009-03-01 12:32 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

Donkey Butter wrote:

my beef with coverflow is that it's an annoyingly inefficient way to browse files. with a folder full of image files using coverlow I can view 3 images at once, the main one and then the previous and next images, the other 6 images on the screen are covered up too much. in icon view with with the size set at 128x128 I can see 24 files at once, and the render time for them is almost nill. not like in coverflow when I scroll through and the files are blank for a bit. the only thing coverflow has going for it is that it looks kinda neat, but it's implementation makes it ugly.

confused opens up a picture folder ... switches to cover flow ... flips through them at about 3 per second ...
easily finds what I was looking for. shrug


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#58 2009-03-01 12:50 pm

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Ehh, at work I recently did some usability testing with a coverflow thumbnail browsing compared a grid view or horizontal lists. People were able to find and compare a large amount thumbnails faster when they weren't using coverflow. shrug

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#59 2009-03-01 3:55 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

fixed that for ya tongue

mrreet2001 wrote:

confused opens up a picture folder ... switches to icon view ... flips through them at about 24 per second ...
easily finds what I was looking for. shrug

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#60 2009-03-01 5:18 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

ukimalefu wrote:

When did this become a thread about cover flow hate?

From here

Donkey Butter wrote:

I wish apple would quit trying to jam cover flow down our throats. it has got to be the most useless way ever created to navigate.

and here

Jasoco wrote:

Coverflow is useless for ANYTHING except iTunes, and I only use it in iTunes for the look. It's useless for images. Icon view shows more than Coverflow does. Apple went too far and thinks way too highly of CoverFlow IMHO. I would rather it just die and stay in iTunes where it belongs.


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#61 2009-03-01 6:18 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

I personally love it for the things I've found its good for. I don't like and thus ignore it for other stuff. For History it's definitely worth it.

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#62 2009-03-01 8:56 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

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Seriously, listen to yourself a moment. There are holes in your argument that I could drive a Mack truck through.

They can only in be increased to that size in icon View (which is not at all suited to History and poorly suited to regular bookmarks) and to try to do that size in list view would waste far greater space than cover flow does.

Also just because you obviously missed it the first time

ScifiterX wrote:

You can shrink Coverflow so only the resize toggle & search field remain if you want.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4012/searchl.th.jpg

I hope that wasn't aimed at me because it would be silly if it was.

Show me the holes.

No, wait. Don't. I'm done with this thread. I use Safari for testing. I use FireFox for actual browsing. See ya.


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#63 2009-03-01 9:11 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

Donkey Butter wrote:

fixed that for ya tongue

mrreet2001 wrote:

confused opens up a picture folder ... switches to icon view ... flips through them at about 24 per second ...
easily finds what I was looking for. shrug

And it a hell of a lot easier to miss an image when you have columns and rows of scrolling images.


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#64 2009-03-01 10:13 pm

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

Jasoco wrote:

ScifiterX wrote:

Seriously, listen to yourself a moment. There are holes in your argument that I could drive a Mack truck through.

They can only in be increased to that size in icon View (which is not at all suited to History and poorly suited to regular bookmarks) and to try to do that size in list view would waste far greater space than cover flow does.

Also just because you obviously missed it the first time

ScifiterX wrote:

You can shrink Coverflow so only the resize toggle & search field remain if you want.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4012/searchl.th.jpg

I hope that wasn't aimed at me because it would be silly if it was.

Show me the holes.

No, wait. Don't. I'm done with this thread. I use Safari for testing. I use FireFox for actual browsing. See ya.

Again with the not reading I've already pointed out two.

ScifiterX wrote:

They can only in be increased to that size in icon View (which is not at all suited to History and poorly suited to regular bookmarks) and to try to do that size in list view would waste far greater space than cover flow does.

To further flesh out those points:

On a commonly used 1680*1050 screen, even with grid spacing set to it's tightest, you are limited to 45 full sized icons in Icon view with heavily truncated labels, assuming the labels are set to the bottom of the Icon, or 30 assuming they are set to the right of the icon. In List view (supposing for the moment you could set the icons to Icon views full size for a moment) you would get all of 6 or seven items on the screen at any given time but have info list with a relative minimum of truncation. With Coverflow in Safari set how I have it set, I have 21 items in the list with a minimum of truncation as well as 3 obvious useful thumbnails and 14 partially  obscured thumbnails visible in Coverflow at any given time at sizes bigger than the full size of the standard icons and with relatively untruncated information displayed the selected item.

As mreet just mentioned, in it easier to miss an item outside of a linear progression. Icon view is not a linear progression format. List View & Coverflow are linear progression formats. With regular Bookmarks linear progression matters far less but then there is the issue of deal with a hierarchy. Neither Icon View or Coverflow not handle hierarchy well without outside manipulation. That is something where the list view is far stronger (and which frankly explains why Coverflow is tied to the List view).

But then again you did say you were done with this thread so I'm just saying it so it can't be said that I never answered you.

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#65 2009-03-02 4:52 am

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Re: Beta Safari 4 Version

I decided to try the Safari 4 Beta.  Great!  I think it is even faster than my Firefox.  The top tabs bar is unusual, but it can be gotten rid of by adding a little code.smile  Go here:

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