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#1 2009-03-28 10:24 pm

radarman
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Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Spanish_c … _0328.html

Six Bush-era officials responsible for crafting the legal justifications permitting the military prison at Guantanamo Bay are the subject of a potential Spanish criminal probe which could place the men under serious risk of arrest if they travel outside the United States.

"[Spanish newspaper] Público identifies the targets as University of California law professor John Yoo, former Department of Defense general counsel William J. Haynes II (now a lawyer working for Chevron), former vice presidential chief-of-staff David Addington, former attorney general and White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, former Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee, now a judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, and former Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith," noted Scott Horton at Harper's.

He called them Bush's "torture lawyers."

While I would love to see this collection of scum rotting in prison, they should be rotting in an American prison. Someone needs to remind the Spanish that they don't have jurisdiction over Americans, and to mind their own business. Of course, if you read further, you realize this is probably a political stunt by this judge, but it makes you wonder.

I wish I knew where Europe thinks they get off prosecuting non-Europeans for crimes that didn't occur in Europe, or even have anything to do with Europe. Don't they have enough local criminals committing crimes locally? Sheesh.

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#2 2009-03-28 11:02 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

radarman wrote:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Spanish_criminal_probe_targets_Bush_torture_0328.html

Six Bush-era officials responsible for crafting the legal justifications permitting the military prison at Guantanamo Bay are the subject of a potential Spanish criminal probe which could place the men under serious risk of arrest if they travel outside the United States.

"[Spanish newspaper] Público identifies the targets as University of California law professor John Yoo, former Department of Defense general counsel William J. Haynes II (now a lawyer working for Chevron), former vice presidential chief-of-staff David Addington, former attorney general and White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, former Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee, now a judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, and former Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith," noted Scott Horton at Harper's.

He called them Bush's "torture lawyers."

While I would love to see this collection of scum rotting in prison, they should be rotting in an American prison. Someone needs to remind the Spanish that they don't have jurisdiction over Americans, and to mind their own business. Of course, if you read further, you realize this is probably a political stunt by this judge, but it makes you wonder.

I wish I knew where Europe thinks they get off prosecuting non-Europeans for crimes that didn't occur in Europe, or even have anything to do with Europe. Don't they have enough local criminals committing crimes locally? Sheesh.

It's far less egregious than generations of Americans believing they have the right to dictate how countries should run themselves, and be willing to bomb, blockade and terrorize peoples in all corners of the globe.

Your OH TEH OUTRAGE sounds pretty amusing in that context.


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#3 2009-03-28 11:27 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

Nuremberg


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#4 2009-03-28 11:29 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

user wrote:

Nuremberg

riposte: American Exceptionalism


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#5 2009-03-29 12:04 am

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's far less egregious than generations of Americans believing they have the right to dictate how countries should run themselves, and be willing to bomb, blockade and terrorize peoples in all corners of the globe.

That's just absolutely ridiculous.

Why are you mocking the US soldiers who have died defending freedom around the world?


There are two kinds of people who keep rattlesnakes.
Those who have been bit, and those who will be bit. - Al Wolf.

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#6 2009-03-29 12:12 am

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

link

This year for the first time, the United States used a law that allows for the prosecution in the United States of torture in other countries. On Jan. 10, a Miami court sentenced Chuckie Taylor, the son of the former Liberian president, to 97 years in a federal prison for torture, even though the crimes were committed in Liberia. Last October, when the Miami court handed down the conviction, Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey applauded the ruling and said: “This is the first case in the United States to charge an individual with criminal torture. I hope this case will serve as a model to future prosecutions of this type.”

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#7 2009-03-29 12:26 am

ShnickyShnack
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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's far less egregious than generations of Americans believing they have the right to dictate how countries should run themselves, and be willing to bomb, blockade and terrorize peoples in all corners of the globe.

That's just absolutely ridiculous.

Why are you mocking the US soldiers who have died defending freedom around the world?

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.


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#8 2009-03-29 12:34 am

resedit
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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

ShnickyShnack wrote:

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's far less egregious than generations of Americans believing they have the right to dictate how countries should run themselves, and be willing to bomb, blockade and terrorize peoples in all corners of the globe.

That's just absolutely ridiculous.

Why are you mocking the US soldiers who have died defending freedom around the world?

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

If you can't tell than you aren't very smart.


There are two kinds of people who keep rattlesnakes.
Those who have been bit, and those who will be bit. - Al Wolf.

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#9 2009-03-29 12:54 am

ShnickyShnack
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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

resedit wrote:


That's just absolutely ridiculous.

Why are you mocking the US soldiers who have died defending freedom around the world?

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

If you can't tell than you aren't very smart.

I guess I just can't believe that even the most brainwashed conservotard couldn't seriously make the statement you made. Thing is, though, you have a history of being an exception to such rules of thumb.


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#10 2009-03-29 1:41 am

resedit
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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

Have you already forgotten your statement about the Red Eye jokers?
Lay off the Marijuana.


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Those who have been bit, and those who will be bit. - Al Wolf.

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#11 2009-03-29 5:35 am

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

bedstuy wrote:

link

This year for the first time, the United States used a law that allows for the prosecution in the United States of torture in other countries. On Jan. 10, a Miami court sentenced Chuckie Taylor, the son of the former Liberian president, to 97 years in a federal prison for torture, even though the crimes were committed in Liberia. Last October, when the Miami court handed down the conviction, Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey applauded the ruling and said: “This is the first case in the United States to charge an individual with criminal torture. I hope this case will serve as a model to future prosecutions of this type.”

He's a real all-star

http://www.myairshoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/conversepsychedelic.jpg

Conversely, the Yoo/Addington/Haynes et al are Nikes

http://www.crile-archives.org/coldwar_nike1.jpg


A dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.
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#12 2009-03-29 8:59 am

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's far less egregious than generations of Americans believing they have the right to dictate how countries should run themselves, and be willing to bomb, blockade and terrorize peoples in all corners of the globe.

That's just absolutely ridiculous.

Why are you mocking the US soldiers who have died defending freedom around the world?

As if that is what they are doing roll

That's what they might think they are doing and that is what their commanders tell them but there is no freedom being defended.
Not in any war that has happened in my lifetime.


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Like a hammer invoked from God's left hand
What little still grows cringes in the shadows till the night fall...

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#13 2009-03-29 9:59 am

daemon
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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

Well, there was "Operation Urgent Fury"
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinat … each_N.htm


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
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#14 2009-03-29 11:24 am

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

resedit wrote:

Have you already forgotten your statement about the Red Eye jokers?
Lay off the Marijuana.

it means something because its different


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

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#15 2009-03-29 12:51 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's far less egregious than generations of Americans believing they have the right to dictate how countries should run themselves, and be willing to bomb, blockade and terrorize peoples in all corners of the globe.

That's just absolutely ridiculous.

Why are you mocking the US soldiers who have died defending freedom around the world?

lol

nice. And please tell us why you hate their children.


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#16 2009-03-29 1:49 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

"US soldiers who have died defending freedom around the world?"

I guess the difference between an invasion and "defending freedom" is one of perspective.


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#17 2009-03-29 2:46 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

Wait so was Res serious or not?

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#18 2009-03-29 2:59 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

Some1 wrote:

Wait so was Res serious or not?

He was making fun of the panique surrounding some entertainment show comments.


Just like back in Saigon! Eh, slick?

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#19 2009-03-29 3:26 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

The patented resedit wit strikes again.


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#20 2009-03-29 4:37 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

resedit wrote:


That's just absolutely ridiculous.

Why are you mocking the US soldiers who have died defending freedom around the world?

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

If you can't tell than you aren't very smart.

The right wing in America has unfortunately lowered the bar so much that it's hard to tell when a conservative is mocking those of their political persuasion who are stupid, or is actually being stupid themselves.

I for one hope you're mocking the mentally feeble rightwingers.


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#21 2009-03-29 8:12 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

radarman wrote:

While I would love to see this collection of scum rotting in prison, they should be rotting in an American prison. Someone needs to remind the Spanish that they don't have jurisdiction over Americans, and to mind their own business. Of course, if you read further, you realize this is probably a political stunt by this judge, but it makes you wonder.

Most of what I know about Spanish prisons comes from Pedro Almodóvar films. But I'm under the impression that they aren't quite hellholes.
What makes you think the Americans would prosecute?


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#22 2009-03-29 8:45 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

resedit wrote:


That's just absolutely ridiculous.

Why are you mocking the US soldiers who have died defending freedom around the world?

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

If you can't tell than you aren't very smart.

lol

Sorry, it's just funny to see you say this.


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#23 2009-03-29 9:39 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

jkahless wrote:

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:


Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

If you can't tell than you aren't very smart.

The right wing in America has unfortunately lowered the bar so much that it's hard to tell when a conservative is mocking those of their political persuasion who are stupid, or is actually being stupid themselves.

These are the same people who called those who questioned the war "unpatriotic".

Are a majority of the hardcore Republicans really that brainwashed to think that we go into war for anything else than our own self interests? Do they really believe there will be a true democracy in Iraq?


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#24 2009-03-29 11:03 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time !


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#25 2009-03-29 11:16 pm

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Re: Spanish judge to attempt to try Bush 'torture lawyers'

If you didn't do anything bad then you have nothing to worry about.  Or so we were told during the NSA eavesdropping.

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