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#1 2008-03-18 1:33 pm
- lantzn
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Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
Hello,
I just finished reading the article Make A Backup of Your Movie DVD. The program to RIP the DVD of its protection is MacTheRipper. I used MacTheRipper for years along with Popcorn and now VisualHub. Awhile back someone told me about Fairmount. This software is used by VLC to strip the video of its protection. It basically unmounts the DVD then remounts a un-protected version of the DVD files in a folder on your desktop, no conversion/compression takes place. It's VERY fast. I rarely see it mentioned in articles and thought maybe you guys could give it a try.
Fairmount is a standalone product but you have to have VLC installed for it to work. When you download the app it comes with a remaster app that you don't need, just install the Fairmount app on your Mac, dump the rest.
Once installed, open Fairmount, mount the DVD and it automatically does its thing.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/30207
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#2 2008-03-27 11:19 am
- Walter Chillum
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
Dear All,
I was absolutely appalled at the errors and omissions in your April edition regarding Mactheripper (MTR) and dvd backups. First you tell readers that MTR is freeware. It has not been freeware for a number of years. The developer calls it giftware except you don't get a copy unless you make a "donation".
Second, the version you recommend is 2.6.6 and is the last free version of the application. It is useless for virtually all movies after 2005.
Third the developer and most of the moderators at ripdifferent.com are abusive to people with basic queries. And last is the issue of spyware that is built into the application.
As stated above you might want to also mention that there is also a utility called Fairmount from Matakine (metakine.com) and it does a pretty decent job at ripping dvds. Unlike Mactheripper it's free and there's no spyware in the utility.
Likewise, I had been a user of Mactheripper for several years and had made donations in past but I cannot recommend the application anymore because it's just too much of hassle to get the application and, as stated above, I refuse to use any software that has "phone home" spyware inserted into the code. That's what I expect from the Windows' world.
Similarly, Dvd2onex2 and/or DVDRemaster does a much better job of creating dvds than Toast/Popcorn does. Version 8 of Toast is below standard and version 9 just doesn't work.
As a former journalist one of editors used to say "Good journalism is all about thoroughly researching a topic and presenting all facets of the story." Your article does neither.
My apologies for the angst but your article has so many errors and omissions that I just couldn't allow readers to be so misinformed.
Walter
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#3 2008-03-27 11:30 am
- FutureDreamz
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
in other words, stick to Handbrake.
Thanks for clicking.
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#4 2008-03-27 12:46 pm
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
Version 9 of Toast "just doesn't work"? And I have yet to notice spyware when using Mac the Ripper.
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#5 2008-03-27 7:40 pm
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
Dear thelegendofjohn,
"Version 9 of Toast "just doesn't work"? And I have yet to notice spyware when using Mac the Ripper."
I'll reply to the last first.
When you place the license file in the preferences and then use MTR it "phones home" to unlock the app. That's sounds like spyware to me.
As for Toast version 9.0 it crashed when you tried to placed a Video_TS folder in the window. Apparently the update 9.0.1 fixed that problem. Now there are problems with naming cds. Also the Growl notification doesn't really work. That doesn't sound like a stable application to me.
The best way to find out about the application is to go to versiontracker or the Roxio's website and check the reader responses. Version 7 rates four stars at versiontracker and version 8 has three, and the latest version has no rating thus far.
For the record I have versions 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9. Versions 4 and 5 were a work in progress. Version 6 worked fine although it was a little rough around the edges. Version 7 rocked and I still use to convert .avi files to dvd. Version 8 saw a drop in video quality and version 9 (so far) is sub-standard.
The way I see it when Roxio bought Toast from Adaptec it became more like the windows apps that they sell…glitzy but not all that great. And for the record I've backed up almost a thousand dvds and I now use dvd2onex2. It's a great application for burning dvds and heaps of options that Toast just doesn't have.
For example:
* faster burning times
* splitting files over two dvds
* properly deselecting and selecting languages (Toast 7 never really got that
right)
* identifying and deleting zero cells
* re- mastering video_ts files.
* superior video quality
Like I said, it blows Toast out of the water and you should give a go and you'll see how much better it is.
Cheers,
Walter
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#6 2008-03-27 8:28 pm
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
I guess I fail to see how an application "phoning home" to unlock itself is spyware. As for Toast, I have version 8, a Roxio version, and absolutely love it. I haven't used version 9 yet though, so can't really speak to that.
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#7 2008-03-27 9:10 pm
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
Dear thelegendofjohn,
I guess we should agree to disagree. However, give dvd2onex2 a go it really does blow Toast out of the water. The only caveat is that the interface is a bit on the windows side of things but once you get the hang of the app. it's really easy to use.
Walter Chillum
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#8 2008-03-27 10:47 pm
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
Well, it's not Toast's fault really. It's not designed to backup commercial DVD's in the first place. Thus, it makes sense that it doesn't have features that would only be applicable to backing up commercial DVD's, like deleting zero cells.
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#9 2008-03-27 11:11 pm
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
[offtopic]The only Fairmont I know about is the one with the hot springs[/offtopic]
Thanks for clicking.
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#10 2008-03-28 1:00 am
- Walter Chillum
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
"Well, it's not Toast's fault really. It's not designed to backup commercial DVD's (sic) in the first place. Thus, it makes sense that it doesn't have features that would only be applicable to backing up commercial DVD's, like deleting zero cells."
So why does it have the option to select/deselect languages and different types of sound like DTS etc. That's in the realm of commercial dvds isn't it?
Actually I think that's one of the features that Toast does but to avoid any possible litigation they just skirt around this particular feature.
walter C.
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#11 2008-03-28 1:09 am
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
Sure, numerous audio tracks and subtitles are in the commercial realm, but they are also in the amateur arena as well. I can make a non-copyrighted DVD in DVD Studio Pro that has multiple audio tracks.
However, "zero cells" are not something that anyone would use, except for a commercial DVD. Thus, Toast does not need that feature.
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#13 2008-04-10 1:00 pm
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
FutureDreamz wrote:
in other words, stick to Handbrake.
hand-brake doesn't back up movies .. it rips them.
oh and Walter Chillum see how I quoted FutureDreamz
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[quote=FutureDreamz]in other words, stick to Handbrake.[/quote]
please for the love of anything quote like that. You aren't writing a letter here
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#14 2009-01-11 4:26 pm
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
Newbie here - please be patient. After much screwing around I am now watching/listening to movie "Hope" with (for me) proper, in sync subtites. I have Fairmount loaded and running in a smaller window on desktop. The smaller Fairmount window shows (at top) Fairmount: DVD - STATUS - DATEREAD -BAD SECT
The Fairmount menu at the top of the Workbench screen shows: FAIRMOUNT - FILE - EDIT -WINDOW - HELP.
I see no change whatsoever in the smaller Fairmount window. 
Thanks guys & gals.
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#15 2009-01-12 12:22 am
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
GHal, Fairmount is not a movie player, it's a program that removes to protection from a movie DVDs files so you can make a copy of it using a program like Handbrake. Here's how.
1. Open Fairmount.
2. Load the movie DVD and it will start to mount, then Fairmount will unmount the DVD and create a folder on your desktop containing the unprotected files.
3. Open Handbrake and navigate to this newly create folder and Handbrake will scan the folder and give you the ability to save it to a variety of formats like MP4, Apple TV or iPod. There are a number of presets to choose so make sure you open the prests drawer to see them. Also run the presets updater to make sure they are current.
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#16 2009-01-12 2:51 am
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
Yes, I thought I understood that. I have FairMount, VLC and HandBrake icons showing at bottom of my Desktop. I did as you said above and yes I "sort of" could see a sort of "donut" (for lack of a better word) fill-in in the background of the opening screen on the movie. The FairMount window now shows the name "Hope" under "DVD",
"Fair disc Mounted" under "Status", "Data Read" shows "10.00 MB", "Bad sect." "0". There is am "up" arrow to the right of the "0" showing for "Bad sect." There is a "Hope" icon on my desktop. Desktop icons showing are "Macintosh HD", "DVDRemaster" and "Hope." Are one of the latter two the folder you refer to in #2 of your note?
Again, sorry to be so dense on this and thank you again for helping this really old phart (I'll be 80 towards the end of this month).
-Gene
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#17 2009-01-12 2:14 pm
- lantzn
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
First of all you can throw away the DVDRemaster program out of your application folder and drag its icon out of the Dock (the name of the program bar at the bottom of your desktop). DVDRemaster came with Fairmount (really the other way around) but you don't need it so just trash it. You do however need the VLC program to run Fairmount so be sure to keep that. Check to make sure you have the newest version of VLC, Fairmount and Handbrake also also. I like to use Versiontracker.com to keep track of my programs.
From your description it sounds like your DVD is damaged in some way and has bad sectors. What should be happening is pretty much what I've described. Is your DVD store bought or a copy from someone? Try using another movie DVD just to see what is suppose to happen.
With Fairmount open, load the movie DVD into your DVD drive, you should see the DVD text briefly show up in the Fairmount window, then unmount (disappear out of the window) and a little animation on your desktop with what looks like crumbled up paper will scroll around in a circle and then stop and the folder with the unprotected movie files will mount on your desktop. That's pretty much it, a piece of cake.
As of posting: for Intel Macs:
Fairmount 1.0.2
VLC 0.9.8a
Handbrake 0.9.3
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#19 2009-03-30 9:03 am
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Re: Fairmount instead of MacTheRipper.
I'm afraid we have a zombie-post rule - no resurrecting threads that have been dead for more than 2 months.
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