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Lift the ceiling on payroll deductions, problem solved.


Really, it's just that smurfing simple.

Interesting to think of what happens to the federal budget if all the accounting skullduggery with Social Security funds is brought to an end.

Think about this for a second -

The same government that is running those programs into the ground. That's who you want to have control over your health care.

Am I the only one who has a problem with that?

So we have 8 years to party like it's 1999! Woohoo!

*Spends lavishly, furiously.*

I love that its not "the Republican controlled government" but just "the same government."


If the incompetent, indifferent, and idiotic fail to succeed, do you doubt the venture ?

resedit wrote:

Think about this for a second -

The same government that is running those programs into the ground. That's who you want to have control over your health care.

Am I the only one who has a problem with that?

In what way will the government have control over the healthcare of ordinary people that it doesn't already have?

resedit wrote:

Think about this for a second -

The same government that is running those programs into the ground.

'Running them into the ground?'

These issues are the result of baby boomers retiring and people living longer.

JakeTheTall wrote:

I love that its not "the Republican controlled government" but just "the same government."


If the incompetent, indifferent, and idiotic fail to succeed, do you doubt the venture ?

Even if Democrats do not run those programs into the ground and Obama strengthens those programs - there is no guarantee that the administration after his will do the same.

Both of those programs have suffered under both parties.
Putting the government in charge of our health care is a bad idea. It is extremely difficult, and we'll end up like Canada - where in many cases, only the wealthy (often by coming to America) can have certain procedures done in a timely manner or at all.

Ah yes, drag out the ol' "folks in Canada are waiting for years!" argument. You do realize that it's not a huge list right? And that the overwhelming majority of procedures are done in a timely fashion? And that overall, Canadian and Europeans enjoy longer, happier, healthier lives than most Americans? It's not "many cases" it's a relative few. And nobody ever said that there wouldn't be issues - you'll never have a perfect system. But I'd rather have a system that provides access to everyone, where people don't have to worry about losing their coverage if they want to change jobs, or lose their job, where people can get preventive care and avoid more expensive, riskier procedures.

If you want to be truly fair, let's bring up the fact that only the wealthy get many procedures here in the US. Quite a few working class folks with insurance can't afford the co-pays and co-insurance, not to mention the ever increasing premiums being taken from their paychecks to cover themselves and their families. Let's gloss over the fact that medical costs are one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in this country - even for folks who had insurance. The private sector has failed a huge portion of the nation. Please explain to me how the free market system in the US serves anyone other than the wealthy. The private sector has failed and is now only willing to make concessions because it might actually lose its death grip on the health care system.

Oh, and how is it that for the young, health care isn't a right, people should pay, etc. But for the old, they've worked for it and their entitled? Why are only the old deserving of health care? Why is it OK for many seniors to receive far more in care than they paid into the system? Why is it OK to have gubment health care for the old, but not for everyone else - or would you like to see SS and Medicare eliminated as well? If so, good luck with that...

resedit wrote:

It is extremely difficult, and we'll end up like Canada - where in many cases, only the wealthy (often by coming to America) can have certain procedures done in a timely manner or at all.

I wonder if there are any Canadians with ACTUAL experience who care to comment on this.


Then again I am sure Hannity knows more about health care in Canada than any Canadian.

JakeTheTall wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Lift the ceiling on payroll deductions, problem solved.

I agree.  But that only fixes SocSec...Medicare is a whole other thing.

Means test both programs, problem solved.

freecat wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Lift the ceiling on payroll deductions, problem solved.

I agree.  But that only fixes SocSec...Medicare is a whole other thing.

Means test both programs, problem solved.

I'd have no problem with that, but I don't know if that would solve the Medicare problem....I wonder if the means of enough of the elderly would really result in enough savings.