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#26 2009-03-21 7:00 am
- Ribtorus
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Two newspapers are just given away at bus shelters. "Metro" and "24 Hours" These are international news chains and they combine local news with wire stuff and lots of entertainment reporting. They compete with the local Sun Media for a lot of content, and even share photos of local stories with them. I make it a point not to read newspapers. I'm even off "The Economist", (which is a newspaper, not a magazine), becuse its editorial position on Western foreign policy became unbelievably inept. When I can call stuff better than the editors of a venerable newspaper, it's time to give them up. The offer me nothing but ads. But I'm not buying.
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#27 2009-03-21 9:46 am
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Metro is published by the Toronto Star and uses the star's content in addition to wire stories. 24 Hours is published by the Sun and uses Sun material in addition to wire stories. They're no-overhead sources of ad revenue for the main papers.
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#28 2009-03-21 7:08 pm
Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Ad revenue (a happy accidental mariage of history) is decoupling from print. Ask the search G-men.
Aside from the fact that a large press (and labor), buying newsprint (killing trees; non-green) and distribution are now highly cost-ineffiecient today.
We are entering an interregnum where the old way is failing fast, and a full replacement has yet to be invented.
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#29 2009-03-21 7:25 pm
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
"Metro" claims to be the largest international newspaper, citing the Guinness Book of Records. I believe it's Sweden based and is probably losing money.
http://www.metro.lu/
"24 Hours" is indeed Sun Media.
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#30 2009-03-21 8:13 pm
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Ribtorus wrote:
"Metro" claims to be the largest international newspaper, citing the Guinness Book of Records. I believe it's Sweden based and is probably losing money.
http://www.metro.lu/
"24 Hours" is indeed Sun Media.
Their business model must involve partnerships with local newspapers, because I know I've seen Toronto Star material in there.
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#31 2009-03-21 11:50 pm
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Until a really reliable, easy-to-use, and affordable e-reader comes along - and as long as people eat breakfast and commute on trains and buses - there will be paper-based news media.
And, even after that mytical e-reader comes along, there will be some version of a newspaper - just in electronic form. It's a good way to get the news and, frankly, the intratubes could make it even better. The print media (etc.) is a heck of a lot closer to having an economically viable model for this new era than is the music recording industry.
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#32 2009-03-22 1:03 am
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Ribtorus wrote:
"Metro" claims to be the largest international newspaper, citing the Guinness Book of Records. I believe it's Sweden based and is probably losing money.
http://www.metro.lu/
"24 Hours" is indeed Sun Media.Their business model must involve partnerships with local newspapers, because I know I've seen Toronto Star material in there.
It does. We have in Philadelphia as well with local news.
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#33 2009-03-22 1:24 am
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
bedstuy wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Ribtorus wrote:
"Metro" claims to be the largest international newspaper, citing the Guinness Book of Records. I believe it's Sweden based and is probably losing money.
http://www.metro.lu/
"24 Hours" is indeed Sun Media.Their business model must involve partnerships with local newspapers, because I know I've seen Toronto Star material in there.
It does. We have in Philadelphia as well with local news.
There you go.
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#34 2009-04-04 6:15 am
Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
The NYTeast:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massac … om_unions/
I've been waiting for this kind of thing.
Here, in one package is:
The media 'conglomorate' model blown up.
The demise of news-papers.
The economy's downslide and ad revenue.
Attack on unionized labor.
Plus, iirc, the Globe owns about 20% of the Red Sox. So, there may be ramifications in sports/entertainment.
The NYTsouth here had this about a month ago:
Star-News to outsource printing, lay off staff
By Chris Mazzolini
Staff Writer
Published: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 7:17 a.m.
Last Modified: Friday, February 27, 2009 at 5:43 p.m.
The Star-News will stop printing its own newspaper early this summer, the publisher announced Thursday.
Outsourcing printing (and the assumed union labor).
The model is untenable anymore.
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#35 2009-04-05 6:42 am
Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Here's the Murdoch-subsidized Herald's take on the Global woes:
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/me … position=1
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#36 2009-04-09 3:39 pm
Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Captains of the industry flailing for answers and a solution.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ … -hissy-fit
As for digital aggregator(s):
http://daggle.com/090406-225638.html
h/t daring fireball
Like the saying goes, "Information wants to be free." (in the sense of digital movement, not monetary cost.)
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Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
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#37 2009-04-09 3:44 pm
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
the only reason i get the print paper is cause some guy was going to get college credit from the paper if i signed up. i read most of my news online.
if the business isn't there to sustain the print editions...let it die off. that's the way it works. for god's sake we don't need another government intervention.
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#38 2009-04-09 4:23 pm
Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
CBC, BBC, Izvestia or Pravda?
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I think in 5-10 years, there'll be USA Today and ? left.
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Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
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#39 2009-04-20 5:21 am
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http://www.boston.com/business/articles … ewspapers/
Senator John F. Kerry will hold hearings in Washington next week on the financial problems facing the newspaper industry, as dwindling advertising dollars push many US papers to the brink of closure.
The hearings by the Senate Commerce Committee, beginning April 30, are the latest effort in the nation's capital to help out newspapers. Senator Benjamin L. Cardin, Democrat of Maryland, introduced a bill last month that would enable newspaper companies to restructure as nonprofits.
Mark your iCals.
Actually, I've been seeing such rumblings online to create 'foundations' for funding the work journalists do.
Could get interesting.
Of course, funding liberal media via tax dollars will be quite a sell.
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#40 2009-04-20 10:11 am
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
What about funding conservative media? Will that be a hard sell as well?
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#41 2009-04-20 10:42 am
Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Yoo betcha! [Also!]
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#42 2009-04-20 10:56 am
- ShnickyShnack
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
The latest meme floating around is that free online content is what killed newspapers.
Even though every attempt at making people pay for content has been a disaster.
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#43 2009-04-20 11:20 am
Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
I'm sure it didn't help but the widespread availability of faster updating TV, radio, & especially web coverage probably has hurt news print more than anything else.
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#44 2009-04-20 11:44 am
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Ribtorus wrote:
Two newspapers are just given away at bus shelters. "Metro" and "24 Hours" These are international news chains and they combine local news with wire stuff and lots of entertainment reporting. They compete with the local Sun Media for a lot of content, and even share photos of local stories with them. I make it a point not to read newspapers. I'm even off "The Economist", (which is a newspaper, not a magazine), becuse its editorial position on Western foreign policy became unbelievably inept. When I can call stuff better than the editors of a venerable newspaper, it's time to give them up. The offer me nothing but ads. But I'm not buying.
Regarding the Economist, its not just Western foreign policy, but American politics as well. Its as if the WSJ OpEd board has taken over. I find it pretty amusing, as well as their reasoned articles on economic policy that end with "but let the robber barons do what they want" in contradiction of the article's contents.
Such as http://www.economist.com/opinion/displa … d=13492459 ""Meanwhile, the politicians should stop changing the rules about pay and bonuses." E.g. ignore then fundamental flaw of misaligned incentives, let the bankers get back to risking the system to make more money.
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#45 2009-04-21 1:11 pm
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
ShnickyShnack wrote:
The latest meme floating around is that free online content is what killed newspapers.
Even though every attempt at making people pay for content has been a disaster.
It is a real problem, though. Good investigative journalism is expensive. Ridiculously expensive. That's why we see so little of it. Now that we are facing price pressure from websites that just reprint AP articles, it's getting even harder to find good local coverage. I still remember my hometown newspaper switching from primarily local news, to primarily AP news. It was a sad day, and they lost about half their reporters (and virtually all of the good ones).
On the other hand, eliminating the barriers to access for news has greatly expanded access to news - which is ultimately a good thing. While most people just don't give a crap, the fact is, with even a small amount of effort you can educate yourself on a very diverse array of issues around the world.
I still think an ad-supported model could work, but there has to be the concept of exclusives - which doesn't seem to exist anymore for a lot of news sites. There has to be a reward for the big scoops, and that reward almost necessarily has to be economic.
Of course, ad supported models break down when the news is adverse to the advertisers, so perhaps we are just screwed...
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#46 2009-05-06 6:41 am
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WEYMOUTH - The Boston Globe's largest union reached a tentative deal with the New York Times Co. shortly after 3 a.m. this morning, agreeing to a substantial pay cut, unpaid furloughs, and modifications to the lifetime job guarantee provisions that protect almost 200 employees in the Boston Newspaper Guild, according to sources familiar with the deal.
With the agreement, the guild, representing more than 600 editorial, advertising, and business office employees, became the last of the newspaper's major unions to agree to concessions with the Times Co. The Globe's parent company now has the $20 million in concessions that it demanded a month ago. And perhaps more importantly, the Times Co. succeeded in changing the job guarantee language, which was widely considered a roadblock to any potential sale of New England's largest newspaper.
Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
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#47 2009-05-06 8:59 am
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Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Great, another industry planning to save itself on the backs of workers.
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#48 2009-05-27 6:34 am
Re: Is the newspaper industry doomed?
Along with two unions ratifying, there's this info which I've been curious about:
The New York Times Co., which owns The Boston Globe, is trying to sell its 17.5 percent stake in the Red Sox. According to published reports, the Times Co. believes its stake is worth $200 million, which would value the team at $1.1 billion.
Here's the union story:
http://www.boston.com/business/articles … contracts/
Members of two of The Boston Globe's major unions last night narrowly ratified contracts that will cut their pay and benefits by more than $7 million, bringing the Globe's owner closer to achieving the savings it says it needs to keep operating the paper.
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Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
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