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THis opinon has the 'perp too close' angle
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/4731

TPM asks about the lone gunman?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/ta … ef=reccafe

A doctor was assassinated today in Wichita, KS by a religious fanatic and cold blooded killer.  His name was Dr. George Tiller.  But who killed Dr. Tiller?  Was it the gunman alone?  Hardly.

How can it be decided yet? Is there a gun? Any real confirmation on any details?

Last edited by daemon (2009-05-31 7:20 pm)

I don't care for this kossack diary 'snark' either:

According to media reports, the police have a suspect in custody.  It isn't known whether the suspect acted alone, or whether more and greater acts of violence are planned for the future.  Our friends on the right have told us what they would do when faced with such a situation: waterboard the suspect.  If it will save even one life, they say, "the choice is easy."

I'm betting that the guy in custody now knows about -- or at least will confess to knowing about, under sufficiently enhanced interrogation -- all manner of diabolic plots to kill church-going Americans.  It's time for the right to step up to the plate and call for the immediate waterboarding of the suspect.

After all, it's not even torture.

UPDATE: I thought -- wrongly, it seems, judging by the first half-dozen comments -- that borrowing the title of Jonathan Swift's famous work of satire and placing a 'snark' tag on this diary were sufficient to make it clear that I'm not actually advocating waterboarding anyone -- just wondering how our friends on the right could oppose it.

Such ponitification without facts. I'm disappointed.

Here's the guardian.uk earlier:

News
World news
United States
Late-term abortion doctor shot dead inside US church
Buzz up!
Digg it
Damien Pearse
guardian.co.uk,     Sunday 31 May 2009 20.26 BST
Article history
A doctor who was one of the few in the US to continue carrying out late-term abortions was shot dead in a church today.

George Tiller, 67, who had been picketed, bombed and shot in the arms in previous incidents, was killed at his church in Kansas, according to police sources.

Tiller was a controversial man, whose clinic has been the site of protests for two decades. He was shot and wounded by a protester in 1993 and someone placed a bomb on the roof of the clinic in 1986, seriously damaging the building.

Police spokesman Gordon Bassham would not confirm the victim's identity but said a 67-year-old "high-profile individual in the community" was shot and killed. He was shot at 10am in the lobby of Reformation Lutheran church in Wichita, police and city officials said.

According to the reports a white man carrying a handgun shot the doctor and then fled in a blue Ford Taurus.

"It's an unfortunate incident to happen on a Sunday morning," Wichita police captain Brent Allred told reporters. "These things should not occur at any time."

The FBI and state police were called in to help search for the gunman, whose licence plate was registered to a home in a suburb of Kansas City, 200 miles away.

The shooting came just two weeks after Barack Obama sought "common ground" over the divisive abortion debate in a controversial speech at one of America's leading Catholic universities.

They tie the speech in.

So, the lobby is mentioned. And a handgun. How do they know? Witnesses? Is the according to police reports?

Also, the car checks. Now, is that town where he was headed?  He was caught 170 miles away from the church.

Likely headed home.

Last edited by daemon (2009-05-31 7:57 pm)

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Now, here's some mention:
http://www.kansascw.com/Global/story.asp?S=10453228

At the very bottom:

Authorities say, when they arrested Roeder, he did not have a gun on him.  Wichita police will take possession of the car and search it for any weapons.

Is he licensed? And, more broadly, is this the driod we're searching for for sure? And is he the same guy that used bombs proir?

And, why a gun now? Why at a church?

edit:

Missed this in looking for the gun. Just before that detail thay say:

Police were at Roeder's home in Merriam on Sunday. Neighbors say they've noticed a lot of people coming and going from the house.

They describe Roeder as a quiet, religious man.

So. Who are these visitors/guests?

Last edited by daemon (2009-05-31 10:44 pm)

Thanks.

I'll keep that in mind.

Thanks.

I'll keep that in mind.

Good. You can help the deficit.

sturner wrote:

While the major anti-abortion groups have denounced the murder, they have done so in the mildest of forms. And some are speaking from the other corner of their mouth compassionately about the shooter (whomever it might be). While it might speak well of Christian morals, the fact that the shooting hasn't been firmly, unequivocally denounced, and that most of the anti-abortion groups still to this date will often say that abortion providers bring it upon themselves, I question the moral and ethical stand of these groups.

Basically if they won't renounce violence and terror in the effort to achieve their goals, then there is no real differentation between them and Al Queda.

http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/ … 53109.html

This is the big one, it doesn't seem all that mild. I don't see any mouth corner speaking. I also don't see anything about bringing it upon themselves.
You are probably right that some groups are saying stuff like this and I agree that they are wrong but the NRLC is the main group in he U.S.

Last edited by Daddyo (2009-06-01 2:37 pm)

You just cannot escape the obvious.
If you keep calling someone a murderer, in the strongest possible terms, you simply have no right to pretend surprise when one of your followers takes it to heart and acts.
It's the logical end and saying otherwise is being incredibly dishonest.

Last edited by Pariah (2009-06-01 6:24 pm)

Here's a satire from the late 80's of a very pro life Christian musician mocking abortion bombing

I have the road in my blood
I drive a custom van
I play the tunes
I'm the neighborhood ice cream man
So don't you mess this boy around
The other day when the clinic had it's local debut
Some chicks were trying to picket
The doctor threatened to sue
I don't care if it's a baby or a tissue blob
But if we run out of youngsters
I'll be out of a job
And so I
I did my duty
Cleaning up the neighborhood
I blew up the clinic real good
Try and catch me coppers
Your stinkin' badges better think again
Before you mess this boy around
I've hung in Saigon just to see the special effects
I've hung from gravity boots for my napoleon complex
It's time to close
Ohhh.... There she blows.
History In the making
You picked a fight.
I pick dynamite
I blew up the clinic real good.
Preacher on a corner
Calling it a crime
The ends don't justify the means anytime
I stood up on my van
I yelled "Excuse me, sir
Ain't nothin' wrong with this country
A few plastic explosives won't cure"

Steve Taylor, circa 87 or 88 (I predict 1990 album)

I know you guys don't want to acknowledge it, but we think these clinic bombers and doctor killers are on the wrong side, and have thought them completely nuts for some time.

WICHITA, Kan. - The slaying of a Kansas abortion doctor put the anti-abortion movement on the defensive Monday with prominent leaders delicately distancing themselves from the accused killer while positioning their stand as one shared by a majority of Americans.

Already reeling from the failure to dominate last year's election and worried their cause won't be at the center of the hearings on President Obama's first Supreme Court nominee, anti-abortion leaders feared that backlash from George Tiller's death could temporarily silence the abortion debate.

"In the immediate future, it makes it difficult to even speak about an issue we've been speaking about for 365 days a year," said Mary Kay Culp, executive director of Kansans for Life. "Anything you say — somebody is going to pounce on us."

Abortion opponents were swift to condemn Tiller's shooting death Sunday during church services in Wichita. Kansans for Life and Operation Rescue, which is also based in Kansas, said 51-year-old Scott Roeder, who is being held without bail one count of first-degree murder and two counts of aggravated assault, did not belong or donate to either group.

'Operation Rescue condemned the killing as vigilantism and "a cowardly act." But its founder, Randall Terry, stressed that the anti-abortion movement should not tone down its rhetoric. He said the gunman was wrong to kill Tiller, 67, but that abortion opponents bear no responsibility for the action.

Tiller was 'mass murderer'
Tiller was "a mass murderer and horrifically, he reaped what he sowed," Terry told the National Press Club in Washington.
..

Shooting puts abortion foes on defensive