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Oh dear. I think we have caught you in a pessimisstic mood.

I think that the only one I can name is the Terran Federation from Starship Troopers. The book, not the movie.

Tallgeese wrote:

The U.S. tortures for fun, the UK has surveillance cameras everywhere, Canada clubs baby seals, France is no beacon of religious freedom either, Germany outlawed Scientology...

Can you name any country that is modern, progressive, and democratic?

Well, obviously, GERMANY.

Naw, no one ever thinks about Turkey. The Europeans don't when they think about Europe, and the Muslim world when they think about Pan-Arabism. Which Turkey isn't part of.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

So that having been done you turn out to be indifferent.

I'm disappointed.

Sorry, I just think the Muslim world is a great present-day example of why religion and government should remain separated. You get cruel, barbaric laws like those in Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE, Somalia, etc. And yet many of these countries are friends and allies of the US. I'm not saying that the EU, Canada or the US are picture perfect, but you have to admit that they're a much better place than Saudi Arabia - or most Islamic republics. I'm sorry if I don't have warm, fuzzy feelings for a religion and group of nations that support beating the crap out of me at best - beheading or hanging me at worst.

As for Israel, I was relieved to see the whole loyalty oath nonsense go down in flames. The religious right there scares me - they're almost as bad as the Taliban.

In any case, let's not go back to the glory days of gory, public executions and torture. I hope one day we can leave all that in the past where it belongs - along with superstitious deities...

Last edited by robco (2009-06-01 9:29 pm)