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Yeah. I was thinking that the last liberal analogy I know of were the Panthers and the Weathermen.

They were infiltrated and destroyed by law and lead.

Here's a nice item:

Mississippi's lone abortion clinic asked Monday for federal marshals to be stationed outside it in the wake of a Kansas abortion doctor's shooting death.

Susan Hill, president of the National Women's Health Organization, which runs the Jackson clinic, said she has been in contact with the U.S. Department of Justice to express safety concerns.

I'm still curious about the murder weapon itself. I haven't seen it mentioned being recovered. I also wonder how he got it. Was it registered to him? etc.

I was thinking how he could get one legally with that history of bomb-in-the-trunk-trick, but there's this:

Roeder was arraigned on one count of criminal use of explosives and misdemeanor charges of driving on a suspended license, failure to carry a Kansas registration and failure to carry liability insurance.

He was found guilty and sentenced in June 1996 to 24 months of probation with intensive supervision and ordered to dissociate himself from anti-government groups that advocated violence.

But in December 1997, his probation ended six months early when the Kansas Court of Appeals overturned his conviction. The court held that evidence against Roeder was seized by authorities during an illegal search of his car.

Activist judges at it again!

Also, how many gunshot wounds and location on Tiller is not on record that I've seen. Or caliber. FOr witness statements about that info.

And the WaPo has the AP:

An antiabortion activist was charged Tuesday with first-degree murder in the death of abortion provider George Tiller. The prosecutor said unspecified evidence ruled out the death penalty.

Ain't that unusual?

daemon wrote:

Curious. USAToday's (now 2 day old) coverage of Roeder:

Roeder remained in police custody in Wichita, a day after Tiller, one of the few physicians in the country to provide late-term abortions, was shot to death Sunday at his church. The district attorney has until today to charge anyone in custody. Police said the gunman acted alone.

They don't have the gun. Monday they hadn't filed charges. But, withing 24 hours they can say:

He's a 'crazed lone gunman'.

With a significant phone number on his dash.

They frequently don't file charges if they have the person in custody for some time.
I've seen that happen with several murder cases, I'm not sure what the reason is - would like to know.
They suspect the person, often have them in custody, etc. - I guess it is just making sure all their ducks are in a row before they make the formal charge.

As far as whether he acted alone or not, that's always hard to know unless you have direct evidence that he didn't act alone.

As far as whether he acted alone or not, that's always hard to know unless you have direct evidence that he didn't act alone.

Well, isn't evidence usually developed through investigating leads? Such as names/phone numbers?

Who has been visiting the house his ex-wife says he moved out of months ago?

If you don't ask, you'll never know.

daemon wrote:

That's a new detail. No mention of registration.

I've read .22 caliber. And many/most states don't require registration of individual firearms, tho they usually or always require owners be registered/IDed in some way. Here, you can't buy a gun, ammunition or components thereof without a valid FOID.

The latter, tho I wouldn't swear to it. And altho technically true, most rifles characterized as military wouldn't likely be called '.22' in the same sentence.

1)On the house:

Unless my memory fails, it is the address on the car plates on the car he was stopped driving. No surprise. However, if he doesn't live there, then why the cops waiting there. (I've read that the house was his 'last known address.) So, if he doesn't live there, who are the people seen coming and going in unusually high numbers by the neighbors (who I don't think are quoted as saying he doesn't live there. Confusing.)

edit:

more from USAToday:

Lindsey Roeder said federal and local police went to her suburban Kansas City home Sunday looking for the man who fled the scene of the slaying in a car registered to her ex-husband.

I don't know what this means, exactly. Like I said, confusing.

2) Umm... hell, half left blogistan thinks there's conspiracy prima facie. (I'm not following their lead. I'm a free agent...just aggregating as someone up top put it.)

Nobody I know of is asking about the gun, fwiw. AFAIK, that seems to include the police. I haven't seen any mention beyond the car being impounded; he had no weapon on him when arrested. So, where's the gun? And the other details; shots, wounds, caliber...

Aren't these questions a standard part of any murder investigation.

3) I have no clue who might be involved beyond the phone number on his dash. Do you? edit: I will say that I can't fathom how the police can conclude he acted alone so early on in the 'investigation'. Seems like his history of associations has no bearing on the investigation at all.

Again, unless you ask questions, you'll never know.

How do you know this wasn't a fake hit by a liberal cell determined to discredit the movement? Where's the gun?

Simple question, I'd think. Yet no news reports mention it at all. Except early on in passing that one wasn't found on him when arrested.

I know he had 3 hours and almost 200 miles to dispose of it...but maybe that might be mentioned. It is the dog that didn't bark. imvho. edit: I have seen no mention that he had a gun license. He wasn't charged with any firearms violation. I don't get it.

There's just a few details that aren't adding up. Aren't you curious? YOu're just willing to write off all the holes and inconsistencies?

Last edited by daemon (2009-06-03 6:20 am)

I would say the police say he acted alone because of eye witness statements.
He was killed in public. A few dozen people saying this guy walked up, shot the doc then ran out to his car and drove away.

jerwin wrote:

Bat wrote:

radarman wrote:

However, it could be said that Tiller did, in fact, reap what he sowed.

I must've missed the memo on assassination becoming a legal medical procedure.

call it a "surgical strike"

"reap what you sow" does not assign a value one way or another, it simply means that one's previous acts influenced the outcome.

A friend of mine that actually is more conservative than me said "just consider Tiller's death an extremely late term abortion." Over the edge maybe but it shows the emotional range that people deal with in situations like this.

bratboy wrote:

Daddyo wrote:

"reap what you sow" does not assign a value one way or another, it simply means that one's previous acts influenced the outcome.

I suppose it could be used to indicate something positive (unlikely), but the phrase most certainly does carry a value judgment.  Good follows good, evil follows evil.  The man was murdered.  I think there's a judgment of value in there for this particular speaker.

Of course there is a value judgement.
Everyone here has been making value judgements.

And I was agreeing with you.

Yeah well, I'm not sure where I stand on this guy getting killed.
The survival rate for premies born at 26 weeks is 95%.
I think a very good case could be made this guy was a mass murderer that put Bundy and Gacy to shame.
It's a bit of the old "would you kill Hitler".