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ShnickyShnack wrote:

However, morally speaking there is no chasm between activists and assassins, as some would like to believe.

One of the patients reflects (note: it makes for some difficult reading)

here's another one:

In July 1993, my husband and I received the worst news about our son's impending birth: He suffered from multiple, severe fetal anomalies, both internal and external, thought to be the result of a rare blood disorder. If he could survive his early birth at 24 weeks he most likely would not survive his blood cancer beyond the age of 9.

    After several years of trying to conceive our second child, the news could not have been more devastating. When we heard the news, I had been in Mt. Sinai Hospital in NYC for more than two weeks, hooked up to a subcutaneous pump delivering a medication to stop contractions. While still reeling from the shock, we were told we could take our chances and let the baby be born, but that the state would be forced to intervene if we did not then take every measure to keep our son alive. Or, we could consider two late-term abortion clinics—one in Wichita, Kan., the other in Holland! Our initial thoughts were "how could we be in a major NYC hospital in the United States and be told these are our only choices?" To say it was surreal is an understatement.

    We made the very painful decision to travel to Wichita after many sleepless, tear-filled hours of discussion. The "quality" of life our son would have had, and the effects this birth could have had on our family for years to come, brought us to that difficult road. I could never explain to anyone how it felt to travel six hours with my baby kicking, knowing that I was about to end the life we tried so lovingly to create. While my husband lived this nightmare with me, even he could not understand or experience the depths of despair that I felt. The scars are still there.

    My husband and I found Dr. George Tiller to be a caring, sensitive, and compassionate man who truly believed he was helping those of us who were desperate and had nowhere else to go. While we were at his clinic, he was very concerned about an 11-year-old child raped by her stepfather. And, when we were tormented by Operation Rescue protesters outside his clinic, he put on a bullet proof vest and personally drove us out of there while we hid in his van.

http://www.doublex.com/blog/xxfactor/an … -dr-tiller

Choice.

daemon wrote:

user's keyboard beat this one by seven pithy keystrokes.
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from a Tom Robbins  novel of a 'terrorist' bomber and love story in a pack of cigarettes comes this factoid:

Take a pack of Camels non-filter. One side panel has "CHOICE".

Flip it upside down and hold it to a mirror.

Dear daemon,

Please help. I don't have a pack of Camels, a convenient mirror, or the mental energy or spatial imagination to figure out what you're getting at here.

Curiously yours,
Mustapha Mond

Last edited by Mustapha Mond (2009-06-04 6:09 pm)

Mods. Always there when ya need 'em.


The point is:

There's always a "CHOICE".

PHYSICS.
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Not to name drop, but this guy was my Theories of Personality prof.

http://www.legranddavid.com/show_schedule.htm

Thought ya'll might find that....curious.=====>>>

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So, I don't see any polling done since this thread started.

Wonder why??

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A leading media watchdog says media bias is clearly evident in the mainstream media's coverage of the shooting death of late-term abortion practitioner George Tiller. Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center points out that many outlets have condemned pro-life advocates.

Others, Bozell says, have gone out of their way to interview abortion advocates or find obscure or even anonymous people who are supposedly pro-life and applaud the Tiller killing.

Last edited by daemon (2009-06-04 8:22 pm)

resedit wrote:

Article worth reading -

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124398690567579389.html

I'm glad you think so.

As for me, that's about 3 minutes of my life I'll never have back.

resedit wrote:

Article worth reading -

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124398690567579389.html

Even the title of the article is a strawman.

Liar liar pants on fire!

I know you are, but what am I?

Lacking any new data (why haven't the pollsters followed up the mid-April results yet?) this might already be around here, but the intro from mid-May is worth looking at again:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/ … undup.html

Abortion Poll Roundup
by Ed Kilgore @ 6:23 PM
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As I noted on Friday, there's been quite a brouhaha over new polls from Pew and from Gallup that suggest a sudden shift towards anti-abortion sentiment in America. The timing of these polls, on the very eve of anti-abortion protests against President Obama's commencement address at Notre Dame, and in the run-up to a probable culture war over the President's Supreme Court appointment, has guaranteed a lot of hype. Most of it has focused on Gallup's findings, since (1) the Pew poll, while showing a shift from the "mushy middle" position leaning pro-choice to the one leaning pro-life, still documented a pro-choice majority, while (2) Gallup trumpeted this headline: "More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time." Them's fightin' words.

Even as anti-abortionists celebrated that headline, some informed criticism of the Gallup findings has pretty clearly shown them to be an almost certain outlier, and highly misleading to boot.

First up, the partisan composition of the Gallup poll sample drew some attention--not surprisingly, since Gallup itself suggested that the "big shift" on abortion was occurring almost entirely among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents.

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And so it goes.