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Wiki seems to render the ballistics here moot for this case at least:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Tiller

Tiller was shot in the head at point blank range; he was wearing a flak jacket, as he had been since 1998, when the FBI told him he was targeted by anti-abortion extremists.[2] After threatening two others who tried to prevent his departure, the gunman fled in a car. Witnesses described the vehicle as a powder-blue 1993 Ford Taurus.[3]

So, some of the puzzle is filled in. (Allegedly.) I'd like to know the source for that 'point blank range' detail. And, see the evidence of the accompanying powder burns/stipling.

Last edited by daemon (2009-06-14 1:50 pm)

Or people just aren't as obsessed about it as you seem to be.

Yeah, the details are required for the jury to know when they are presented, not you and not now. If they did it your way the guy never could get a fair trial.
For the vast majority of Americans this is just another murder of someone they never heard of before, the cops caught a guy they claim did it and now back to their own problems. It's not Oklahoma City, NYC or a MLK on the terrorism list.

Shootin' irons?

Farmerkev wrote:

Yeah, the details are required for the jury to know when they are presented, not you and not now. If they did it your way the guy never could get a fair trial.
For the vast majority of Americans this is just another murder of someone they never heard of before, the cops caught a guy they claim did it and now back to their own problems. It's not Oklahoma City, NYC or a MLK on the terrorism list.

Compare the releases of info from the 'authorities' to any generic murder. I think you'll find a much different MO. And to make comparisons to other terrorism and say it ain't all that...well he was a particular person killed for a particular reason. One which has a lot of folks 'upset'. It sure satisfies some, and terrorizes others.

The gun and bullet(s) are part of the 'on the record' public record in most cases.

So, when the jury later hears the case, and folks like me howl that certain 'evidence' is missing, folks like you can  use the 'conspiracy theory' post-facto. I'm working in the present to follow details as they emerge. To compare for trial. And, I fully expect my critique to have some resonance then.

Or, course, we may still 'never know'. Like, all about the Knox St. safe house. Usually the police witll at least say "We're investigating X, Y, and X." Details. I see no statements like that at all. Nor, does there seem to be any interest in the reporters for asking about basic details.

Seems like questioning authority is no longer in the playbook these days.

In short, your soft-peddling aspects of this case lacks credibility. imvho. The same for the authorities.

The first court conference is scheduled for Tuesday. Likely to be postponed, according to various scuttlebutt not 'on the record'.

Kev, do you think this trial will occur in 'open court'? With media, and members of the public allowed in the courtroom to witness the proceedings?

Last edited by daemon (2009-06-15 12:22 am)

Ohh....the Black Bird....you have no idea.

I've got photos.

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BTW - I wouldn't consider someone who's name is a non-existent date in May as a reliable source. daemons can be irrascible but not unfeindly.

Last edited by daemon (2009-06-15 4:47 am)

Part of my 'obsession' as kev politely calls it, is to do my little part in raising doubts about coverage like this:

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FILE- This undated booking photo originally released Tuesday, June 2, 2009 by the Sedgwick County Jail shows Scott Roeder, who is suspected in the shooting death of abortion provider George Tiller. (AP Photo/Sedgwick County Jail) (AP / June 2, 2009)

WASHINGTON (AP) — An elderly man enters a crowded museum carrying a rifle and begins shooting. A young man in Arkansas pulls the trigger outside a military recruiting office. Another man opens fire in a Kansas church.

Three chilling, unconnected slayings in less than two weeks. One gunman was a white supremacist, one a militant Muslim, one a fervent foe of abortion.

Each suspect had a history that suggested trouble. Each apparently was driven to act by beliefs considered by some as extreme. Each shooter fits the description of a "lone wolf" terrorist, a killer whose attack, authorities say, is harder to head off than if planned by a trained terrorist network.

"It could be anyone. It could be the guy next door, living in the basement of his mother's place, on the Internet just building himself up with hate, building himself up to a boiling point and finally using what he's learned," said John Perren, head of the counterterrorism branch at the FBI's Washington field office.
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That's CSI coverage, key. Sum it all up as one ball of wax .... and voila! Labels and characterizations galore. Instant CSI-style short-order solution. Just glossing over any details. Plus, convicted w/o trial.

What a load of crap.

Unless you prefer the shade of a large weeping willow.

daemon wrote:

To wit:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-032.mspx

Vulnerability in Microsoft Agent Could Allow Spoofing (890046)

I run a Microsoft-free environment here.

So far off it's funny.

I'll likely clue you in at some point, but keep it to yourself or you'll spoil something for a few hereabouts.

Well, DA Nola's been busy. In secret.

Posted on Tue, Jun. 16, 2009
Hearing continued for suspect in George Tiller fatal shooting

WICHITA, Kan. - The prosecutor of the man accused of killing abortion provider George Tiller told a judge that a reasonable person would believe the suspect has engaged in "alleged acts of American terrorism."

A transcript was released Tuesday of an impromptu telephone call last week between attorneys and the judge in the case of Scott Roeder, of Kansas City, Mo. The document makes public for the first time why Roeder's bond was raised to $20 million.

District Attorney Nola Foulston told the judge prosecutors were concerned about the safety of the community because Roeder can reach out several people and blogs.

In raising the bond, Judge Warren Wilbert cited comments Roeder has made to the news media since his arrest about other possible anti-abortion "events."

In a docket hearing Tuesday, Roeder's preliminary hearing was continued until June 30.

hmmm....

Reaching out to people and blogs? For what? There's still no defense fund. And, he acted alone, so....

Must be.

Nothing is so powerful as an idea whose time has come:

Last edited by daemon (2009-06-17 2:32 pm)

I just came across these pretty amazing quotes from Ann Coulter:

From the 2008 Reclaiming America for Christ conference: "Those few abortionists were shot, or, depending on your point of view, had a procedure with a rifle performed on them. I'm not justifying it, but I do understand how it happened...."

    From the 2008 Values Voters Summit: "For two decades after Roe, no abortion clinic doctors were killed. But immediately after Planned Parenthood v. Casey, after working within the system did not work, produced no results... for the first time an abortion doctor was killed. A few more abortion clinic workers were killed in the next few years. I'm not justifying it, but I understand when you take democracy away from people, some of them will react violently. The total number of deaths attributable to Roe were seven abortion clinic workers and 40 million unborn babies"

    From her June 3rd syndicated column: " I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists? Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one."

    Earlier this week on The O'Reilly Factor: "I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester"

Link.

bratboy wrote:

I just came across these pretty amazing quotes from Ann Coulter:

From the 2008 Reclaiming America for Christ conference: "Those few abortionists were shot, or, depending on your point of view, had a procedure with a rifle performed on them. I'm not justifying it, but I do understand how it happened...."

    From the 2008 Values Voters Summit: "For two decades after Roe, no abortion clinic doctors were killed. But immediately after Planned Parenthood v. Casey, after working within the system did not work, produced no results... for the first time an abortion doctor was killed. A few more abortion clinic workers were killed in the next few years. I'm not justifying it, but I understand when you take democracy away from people, some of them will react violently. The total number of deaths attributable to Roe were seven abortion clinic workers and 40 million unborn babies"

    From her June 3rd syndicated column: " I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists? Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one."

    Earlier this week on The O'Reilly Factor: "I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester"

Link.

To be honest, that's how I would view it if I thought abortion was murder. The only way to think abortion was murder and not to feel that way would be to be a complete pacifist. Of which I don't think there's even one here in MiniThink.