Quantcast

Forums | MacLife

You are not logged in.

#1 2009-06-25 9:38 am

radarman
Member
Registered: 2005-02-28
Posts: 3590

Only three "families" of humans?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … rss_nation

There is a simplicity and all-inclusiveness to the number three -- the triangle, the Holy Trinity, three peas in a pod. So it's perhaps not surprising that the Family of Man is divided that way, too.

All of Earth's people, according to a new analysis of the genomes of 53 populations, fall into just three genetic groups. They are the products of the first and most important journey our species made -- the walk out of Africa about 70,000 years ago by a small fraction of ancestral Homo sapiens.

One group is the African. It contains the descendants of the original humans who emerged in East Africa about 200,000 years ago. The second is the Eurasian, encompassing the natives of Europe, the Middle East and Southwest Asia (east to about Pakistan). The third is the East Asian, the inhabitants of Asia, Japan and Southeast Asia, and -- thanks to the Bering Land Bridge and island-hopping in the South Pacific -- of the Americas and Oceania as well.

The existence of this ancient divergence has long been known.

What is new is a subtle but important insight into what happened on a genomic level as the human species spilled across the landscape, eventually occupying every habitable part of the planet.

I've read a number of books on the subject, the most interesting being the seven daughters of Eve, but this reduces the number even more dramatically. Fascinating read.

Last edited by radarman (2009-06-25 9:39 am)

Offline

 

#2 2009-06-25 10:11 am

Pithecanthropus
Roast Master
From: St. Cloud, MN
Registered: 2002-12-30
Posts: 4448
Website

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

I thought it was "two peas in a pod." If this guy can't get his idioms right I can't take him seriously at all.  Besides everyone knows God created Adam and Steve 6000 years ago.

Last edited by Pithecanthropus (2009-06-25 10:13 am)


Grandfatherly advice:  You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.

Offline

 

#3 2009-06-25 10:24 am

sturner
Royal High Poobah
Moderator
From: Carrollton, TX USA
Registered: 2000-01-31
Posts: 13767

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

And so speaks our Pithecanthropus.

While this revelation seems pretty stable at the moment we are always open for new data. The DNA mapping programs seem to be driving this very nicely.

I've read a book (can't remember it now) where the author posited that you can track some evolution and migration by blood type, and that blood type is also detministic to dietary efficiencies.


I'm not dead yet.
There are 3 types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
"There are few things graven in stone, excepting your date of death."

Offline

 

#4 2009-06-25 3:39 pm

resedit
Chicken Little
Royal Wombat
From: /dev/null
Registered: 1999-11-01
Posts: 50371
Website

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

Just curious, how many sons did Noah have?
They each brought one wife, correct?

big_smile


In her right hand Jenny held the Bible of her mother
Jenny had a pistol in the other
-- Steve Taylor

Offline

 

#5 2009-06-25 4:08 pm

sturner
Royal High Poobah
Moderator
From: Carrollton, TX USA
Registered: 2000-01-31
Posts: 13767

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

ah, but they did have the option for servants and handmaidens!


I'm not dead yet.
There are 3 types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
"There are few things graven in stone, excepting your date of death."

Offline

 

#6 2009-06-25 4:12 pm

jkahless
Member
From: Right in front of you.
Registered: 2002-01-05
Posts: 10011

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

Pithecanthropus wrote:

I thought it was "two peas in a pod." If this guy can't get his idioms right I can't take him seriously at all.

Maybe he's from Salt Lake?  wink


http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/sigs/sigimage.php?u=37350

Offline

 

#7 2009-06-25 4:16 pm

sturner
Royal High Poobah
Moderator
From: Carrollton, TX USA
Registered: 2000-01-31
Posts: 13767

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

That would be 4. Unless that's the portion of humanity that died out before the europeans got here.


I'm not dead yet.
There are 3 types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
"There are few things graven in stone, excepting your date of death."

Offline

 

#8 2009-06-25 5:27 pm

user
Your plastic pal who's fun to be with
From: I'm not getting you down, am I
Registered: 2001-10-15
Posts: 16016

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

How many "families" of dogs are there? Cats? Horses?

Asses?

Nonsense.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

Offline

 

#9 2009-06-25 6:14 pm

Bren
Member
From: San Francisco, CA, USA
Registered: 1999-06-18
Posts: 5428
Website

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

I'm sorry, but this information is not at all consistent with my crackpot theories regarding ancient astronauts.


"It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy."

                                            --Steve Jobs

Offline

 

#10 2009-06-25 6:32 pm

sturner
Royal High Poobah
Moderator
From: Carrollton, TX USA
Registered: 2000-01-31
Posts: 13767

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

The lost tribe? Admiral Adama?


I'm not dead yet.
There are 3 types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
"There are few things graven in stone, excepting your date of death."

Offline

 

#11 2009-06-25 6:56 pm

gd
Honorary Member
Registered: 2009-04-06
Posts: 761

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

Fascinating. Very Interesting document. I hope none of you are some kind of technologically adept priest or very fond of your religion. But I have always been interested by science and quite frankly I have always thought that the religions don't explain my questions in matter as logical as science does. More on that I don't feel that religions are in anyway a truth and are a load of BS.
Does this mean that we are very far from evolving to a new species. We are very adapted to our environment[s] and we are at the top of the food chain meaning that survival is very easy for us. I don't think a massive evolution would come in handy.

Please don't ban me or anything of the sort and I am sorry if I contradict what any of you think.

Last edited by gd (2009-06-25 7:00 pm)

Offline

 

#12 2009-06-25 7:04 pm

jkahless
Member
From: Right in front of you.
Registered: 2002-01-05
Posts: 10011

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

gd wrote:

Fascinating. Very Interesting document. I hope none of you are some kind of technologically adept priest or very fond of your religion. But I have always been interested by science and quite frankly I have always thought that the religions don't explain my questions in matter as logical as science does. More on that I don't feel that religions are in anyway a truth and are a load of BS.
Does this mean that we are very far from evolving to a new species. We are very adapted to our environment[s] and we are at the top of the food chain meaning that survival is very easy for us. I don't think a massive evolution would come in handy.

Please don't ban me or anything of the sort and I am sorry if I contradict what any of you think.

I sure hope you don't think you're being polite.  It's one thing to disagree, it's another thing to make broad generalizations and then call a vast group of beliefs a load of BS. 

BTW, you don't seem all that knowledgeable about religion, so you should be happy to know that a great deal of us don't see a schism between religion and science.  In my opinion for example, they compliment each other, they're both there to explain different things.


http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/sigs/sigimage.php?u=37350

Offline

 

#13 2009-06-25 7:12 pm

gd
Honorary Member
Registered: 2009-04-06
Posts: 761

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

I generally try not to pay attention to my religion class and still manage to get an A on the class. Should I go ahead and delete the previous post I wrote.

Offline

 

#14 2009-06-25 7:22 pm

jkahless
Member
From: Right in front of you.
Registered: 2002-01-05
Posts: 10011

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

Nah, don't worry about it.  You live in the UK?  I can't think of anywhere else that has religion class, unless you're a private schooler at a religious school.  And if you are, I implore you not to take your impression of religion from it.  It's not too accurate, IMHO.


http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/sigs/sigimage.php?u=37350

Offline

 

#15 2009-06-25 7:27 pm

gd
Honorary Member
Registered: 2009-04-06
Posts: 761

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

You are very far of where I live in. I live in Puerto Rico. Yes I attend a Private Catholic School.

Offline

 

#16 2009-06-25 7:50 pm

jkahless
Member
From: Right in front of you.
Registered: 2002-01-05
Posts: 10011

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

Not too far off.  The UK was only my guess if you went to a public school.  tongue  Their public schools have religion classes.


http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/sigs/sigimage.php?u=37350

Offline

 

#17 2009-06-25 10:07 pm

Metacell
misanthropist
From: The space between the spaces
Registered: 2005-03-19
Posts: 5861
Website

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

user wrote:

How many "families" of dogs are there? Cats? Horses?

Asses?

Nonsense.

They meant subspecies, they are using "family" in a Reader's Digest kind of way.

This is hardly anything new, its exactly what was taught in my anthropology class 15 years ago.

http://www.messybeast.com/breed-subspecies.htm

Subspecies (also known as race) is the taxonomic rank below species. Members of a subspecies differ morphologically from members of other subspecies within the same species, for example the Amur tiger differs in type from the Bengal tiger. However, if they encounter each other, members of the subspecies are sufficiently similar that they readily interbreed. The Amur subspecies of tiger has the trinomial scientific name Panthera tigris altaica while the Chinese subspecies is Panthera tigris sinensis. Subspecies are generally separated by a physical barrier such as a mountain range or body of water.


Ho Eyo He Hum

Offline

 

#18 2009-06-25 11:17 pm

resedit
Chicken Little
Royal Wombat
From: /dev/null
Registered: 1999-11-01
Posts: 50371
Website

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

Metacell wrote:

user wrote:

How many "families" of dogs are there? Cats? Horses?

Asses?

Nonsense.

They meant subspecies

No - they meant subclades.
Many scientists want to do away with the concept of subspecies anyway, as there are too many cases where morphological differences don't match the cladistics.

But even accepting subspecies, there is not enough differences in humans to justify any subspecies. As humans diverged from the Mountains of Ararat wink there has been too much contact between populations for subspecies level branching to occur.


In her right hand Jenny held the Bible of her mother
Jenny had a pistol in the other
-- Steve Taylor

Offline

 

#19 2009-06-25 11:18 pm

resedit
Chicken Little
Royal Wombat
From: /dev/null
Registered: 1999-11-01
Posts: 50371
Website

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

Oh - and if your anthropology class taught that subspecies and race are the same thing, it was wrong.


In her right hand Jenny held the Bible of her mother
Jenny had a pistol in the other
-- Steve Taylor

Offline

 

#20 2009-06-25 11:26 pm

user
Your plastic pal who's fun to be with
From: I'm not getting you down, am I
Registered: 2001-10-15
Posts: 16016

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

jkahless wrote:

user wrote:

I just don't see why a certain set of beliefs, among many others that exist in people's minds, are particularly exempt from being called BS.

Call me old fashioned, but not bringing up people's belief systems in an unrelated conversation merely to call them bullsmurf is generally considered... ordinary politeness.  shrug

Yes, the undeserved exemption is quite old.

Being impolite would be directing the insult to you as a person.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

Offline

 

#21 2009-06-26 12:55 am

jerwin
Sophist
From: The Garden of Pure Ideology
Registered: 2003-01-01
Posts: 7022

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

user wrote:

I just don't see why a certain set of beliefs, among many others that exist in people's minds, are particularly exempt from being called BS.

Class B - Philosophy, Psychology, Religion
Subclass B Philosophy (General)
Subclass BC Logic
Subclass BD Speculative philosophy
Subclass BF Psychology
Subclass BH Aesthetics
Subclass BJ Ethics
Subclass BL Religions. Mythology. Rationalism
Subclass BM Judaism
Subclass BP Islam. Bahaism. Theosophy, etc.
Subclass BQ Buddhism
Subclass BR Christianity
Subclass BS The Bible
Subclass BT Doctrinal Theology
Subclass BV Practical Theology
Subclass BX Christian Denominations


Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
Central Intelligence Agency. (1983). Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual

Offline

 

#22 2009-06-26 1:06 am

gd
Honorary Member
Registered: 2009-04-06
Posts: 761

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

Did you make up that list or did you get it from a source? If you did acquire it tell me from where. In a way that tells me something. (Classified)

Offline

 

#23 2009-06-26 1:11 am

jerwin
Sophist
From: The Garden of Pure Ideology
Registered: 2003-01-01
Posts: 7022

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

Spend some time in a college library and you'll understand.


Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
Central Intelligence Agency. (1983). Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual

Offline

 

#24 2009-06-26 1:14 am

Some1
The flying moleman.
From: Montréal
Registered: 2003-05-17
Posts: 2695

Re: Only three "families" of humans?

jkahless wrote:

gd wrote:

Fascinating. Very Interesting document. I hope none of you are some kind of technologically adept priest or very fond of your religion. But I have always been interested by science and quite frankly I have always thought that the religions don't explain my questions in matter as logical as science does. More on that I don't feel that religions are in anyway a truth and are a load of BS.
Does this mean that we are very far from evolving to a new species. We are very adapted to our environment[s] and we are at the top of the food chain meaning that survival is very easy for us. I don't think a massive evolution would come in handy.

Please don't ban me or anything of the sort and I am sorry if I contradict what any of you think.

I sure hope you don't think you're being polite.  It's one thing to disagree, it's another thing to make broad generalizations and then call a vast group of beliefs a load of BS. 

BTW, you don't seem all that knowledgeable about religion, so you should be happy to know that a great deal of us don't see a schism between religion and science.  In my opinion for example, they compliment each other, they're both there to explain different things.

Science deals in fact, and while facts can change, when your beliefs come from an omnipotent being who is never wrong, it makes religion incompatible with science.

Online

 

#25 2009-06-26 1:29 am

jerwin
Sophist
From: The Garden of Pure Ideology
Registered: 2003-01-01
Posts: 7022

Re: Only three "families" of humans?


Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
Central Intelligence Agency. (1983). Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual

Offline

 

Board footer

Powered by PunBB 1.2.6
© Copyright 2002–2005 Rickard Andersson