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#1 2009-06-23 5:45 pm
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HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
Adobe says no, Google says yes, Apple seems to be in there somewhere...
When it comes to rich media on the Internet today, much of the media is powered by Adobe Flash. Flash has some competition like Microsoft Silverlight, but Flash continues to be one of the most supported rich media applications.
The future of Flash is not as clear as it once was with Google touting the ability to support rich media applications online with HTML 5. For its part Adobe insists that Flash will survive HTML 5 and Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen went so far as to dismiss HTML 5, reports InformationWeek.
Narayen said, "[T]he fragmentation of browsers makes Flash even more important rather than less important."
Perhaps the most interesting demonstration that could put fear into the hearts of Adobe and its shareholders is the demonstration by Google at its developer conference of a YouTube prototype using HTML 5 instead of Flash.
Adobe's John Dowdell posted a blog comment in response to numerous headlines and Tweets that called HTML 5 a "Flash-killer." Dowdell called Apple, Google, and Mozilla "a consortium of minority browser vendors" and considered the absence of Flash on the iPhone and Silverlight technology as an endorsement of the technology.
Dowdell wrote, "Silverlight's launch helped boost the popularity of Flash. ... iPhone helped to radically increase the number of phones with Flash support."
The iPhone is not mentioned in the list of platforms for Flash 10 Mobile (beta), coming in October.
http://www.dailytech.com/Adobe+Says+HTM … e15472.htm
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#2 2009-06-25 7:22 pm
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Re: HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
I'm wondering.. If Apple doesn't want Flash on the iPhone. The newer versions of HTML may take a lot of the brower market, maybe.
People are saying this doesn't look good for Flash. But one thing I think may live on for sure is
a good deal of Flash pages and the slick& amazing flexability of Flash Builder !
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#3 2009-06-25 8:30 pm
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Re: HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
Flash is to 2009 what animated GIFs was to 1998.
Cliche and way over used.
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#4 2009-06-26 12:46 am
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Re: HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
Not to hi jack the subject but, how can I make a GIF into my background and keep the movement?
Currently, from what I think I know, html is the toyota and flash is the Lambo. So HTML 5 will have the ability to display many Flash enabled sites without problem? If not the phone won't display any flash-like stuff while browsing. Please clear my doubts up and continue with the topic. 
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#5 2009-06-26 8:13 am
Re: HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
Pariah wrote:
Flash is to 2009 what animated GIFs was to 1998.
Cliche and way over used.
I'm not about disagree on that point, Ming the Merciless. I just want to hear how you really feel about Flash. 
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#6 2009-06-26 2:29 pm
Re: HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
Flash was neat when you wanted cool animations with sound and such. But then "designers" starting using it for everything and building entire sites in Flash. The bad part is that many no longer offer a non-Flash alternative, which is poor design. There should always be an alternative for those who don't want to use Flash, or for accessibility - can't use Flash. Flash is also bloated, you'd almost think it was a Microsoft product. I really hate seeing Flash ads loading, knowing that they're sucking up lots of bandwidth and memory.
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#7 2009-07-09 2:18 am
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Re: HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
And they'll continue.
Much has been made of how HTML5 will "kill" proprietary media tools and players from Adobe Systems and Microsoft.
The idea has been partly predicated on the fact those working on HTML5 would enshrine a baseline spec for audio and video codecs everybody could agree on, buy into, and support.
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But the hope of a universal media experience is now dead, at least for now. Apple, Mozilla, Opera, Microsoft, and - yes - Google could not agree on a common set of audio or video codecs for use in the proposed HTML5 spec.
That means major browsers and media player will continue to implement the codecs and APIs ordained by their owners as they’ve always done, leaving developers and customers to pick a side or go to the additional cost and effort of supporting different players.
Google HTML5 W3C representative Ian Hickson said he gave up on trying to reach agreement between the vendors, following an "inordinate amount of discussions."
Hickson said here: "I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that there is no suitable codec that all vendors are willing to implement and ship.
"I have therefore removed the two subsections in the HTML5 spec in which codecs would have been required, and have instead left the matter undefined, as has in the past been done with other features."
Debate appears to have centered on the inclusion of either Ogg Theora or H.264 or both.
Two hopes now remain.
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#8 2009-07-09 5:25 am
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Re: HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
I am fine with this whole HTML5 thing as long as the animated crap can be disabled easily. If it is just a way to create/allow un-blockable animation then I will take a miss on the whole thing, thank you very much.
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#9 2009-07-09 8:55 am
Re: HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
I don't think the W3C should make the decision. I find it ironic that part of the argument against Theora (besides the stupid, stupid name - along with Ogg Vorbis) is that there isn't hardware acceleration for it, unlike H.264 - when part of the reason some folks didn't like Ogg Vorbis for audio was that it required additional hardware...
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#10 2009-07-09 1:06 pm
Re: HTML 5 to compete with Flash?
robco wrote:
I find it ironic that part of the argument against Theora (besides the stupid, stupid name - along with Ogg Vorbis) is that there isn't hardware acceleration for it, unlike H.264 - when part of the reason some folks didn't like Ogg Vorbis for audio was that it required additional hardware...
I just wish online video sources included a low-hardware option. If I miss an episode of The New Adventures of Old Christine, I don't really care if I see it in ultra high-def; I just want to see it, period.
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