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#26 2009-06-29 12:42 am
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Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
Bren wrote:
Everybody axe yourself the following:
Is there any possibility that posting or reading anything in this thread will change my mind or anybody else's?
NO
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#28 2009-06-29 2:33 am
Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
resedit wrote:
Metacell wrote:
You would really have to be a bloomin' nut to think it was a literal document. The people who wrote it didn't.
excuse me?
Some modern Jews may not take it literally, but it wasn't written by modern Jews.
Some modern Jews do, for what it's worth.
Yep. The bloomin' nuts.
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#29 2009-06-29 2:50 am
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-Steve Martin, from his monologue, What I Believe.
He goes on to say, "...I also believe that robots are stealing my luggage."
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#30 2009-06-29 3:01 am
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I don't mind being called "nuts" - I see arguments for what it really are, a pathetic attempt to use peer pressure to coerce someone into abandoning what they believe for something else.
I'm not that weak.
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#32 2009-06-29 8:52 am
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Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
This is a first! Alert all of the news media.
Bren wins this thread!
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There are 3 types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
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#33 2009-06-29 8:53 am
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Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
Also note, after that last bit of humor by Bren, if you want to continue arguing religion, start a thread in mini-think. This is not the forum for this.
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#34 2009-06-29 12:43 pm
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Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
Metacell wrote:
You would really have to be a bloomin' nut to think it was a literal document. The people who wrote it didn't.
The bigger nutters apparently don't realize it's not one book, but a compendium of books - from different eras, authors, and with different styles and intents.
The part that really amazes me is the literal interpretation of Genesis. It should be fairly obvious to any critical thinker that the book was never intended to be a scientific treatise on the creation of universes. Further, the story was an oral tradition long before it was penned, and served only to place God at the center of creation. Even if God had of broken out the sub-quantum mathematics, I doubt Adam would have 1) understood it, or 2) repeated it word for word to his kids.
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#35 2009-06-29 1:34 pm
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Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
radarman wrote:
Metacell wrote:
You would really have to be a bloomin' nut to think it was a literal document. The people who wrote it didn't.
The bigger nutters apparently don't realize it's not one book, but a compendium of books - from different eras, authors, and with different styles and intents.
Careful there, I think you might have triggered yet another dreary lecture about the documentary hypoth...
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#36 2009-06-29 3:51 pm
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Erm....
The name of this thread has changed and several posts in this thread have disappeared.
How will people argue pointlessly and endlessly if they can't keep track of where they're at in the pointless, endless argument?
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#37 2009-06-29 4:08 pm
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It's always so dignified when MiniThink becomes the forum garbage dump.
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#38 2009-06-29 4:14 pm
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Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
ShnickyShnack wrote:
It's always so dignified when MiniThink becomes the forum garbage dump.
We prefer reclamation and recycling center.
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#39 2009-06-29 4:30 pm
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I placed a warning about continuing the thread as a religious debate. This is the result.
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#40 2009-06-29 4:31 pm
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Don't smurf where you eat.
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#41 2009-06-29 4:32 pm
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Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
resedit wrote:
Edit - the adam and eve genes (which do not make a case for literal adam and eve) are:
Y-chromosomal Adam
Mitochondrial_Eve
Notice that Mitochondrial Eve is older than Y-chromosomal Adam, as the Noah story would suggest (in addition to the three families).
The dates are the only real issue with a literal interpretation being possible in light of science.
The dates are a pretty large factor.
It's stupidly obvious that both science and religion say that there was a first human male and first human female. The differences are what came before the first humans, and why (and when, of course).
A biological "first" human in no way supports a literal bible, because there obviously has to be a first human regardless of the bible.
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#42 2009-06-29 4:48 pm
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Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
So is a 100,000 year old earth OK now?
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#43 2009-06-29 5:46 pm
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Re: 3 Families of Humans and the Bible
ShnickyShnack wrote:
Don't smurf where you eat.
I don't. I smurf where you eat.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#45 2009-06-29 7:16 pm
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I don't eat there. I'm safe.
I'm not dead yet.
There are 3 types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
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#47 2009-06-29 7:39 pm
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Hmmmm, did it taste like smurf?
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There are 3 types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
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#49 2009-06-29 8:59 pm
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Chickenhawk wrote:
So is a 100,000 year old earth OK now?
Have you no reading comprehension?
I specifically stated it was a problem.
resedit wrote:
The date may not match, but the reality is dating when branching occured is far more speculation than actual science, if you read the articles you find them changing dates frequently.
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#50 2009-06-29 9:05 pm
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It sounds to me like it's time to put this tired, old planet out to pasture!
Earth is so old, it's like the Heavenly-body equivalent of your senile grandpa who you visit out of a sense of obligation, even though he doesn't recognize you, and you just sit there feeling horrified while he fills his pants. Why don't we just let this planet die a dignified death instead of going to all these heroic measures to stave off the inevitable?
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