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#1 2009-07-01 10:57 pm
Why marijuana should be legal
Congressman Wally Herger wrote:
Knowing of your interest in land management, I wanted to inform you that the House of Representatives took a positive step to deal with a serious ongoing problem in our national forests. Marijuana cultivation on federal lands by heavily armed Mexican drug traffickers represents a real and growing threat to the people of Northern California. I joined Texas Congressman Lamar Smith in support of an amendment to dedicate $25 million in the FY2010 Interior Appropriations bill for the Forest Service to combat drug production on federal lands. I’m pleased this change to the bill was adopted.
In addition to the illegal cultivation of marijuana, those responsible are willing to harm or kill to protect their enterprise. Last week, two men fired automatic weapons on law enforcement officials during a raid on a marijuana garden in Shasta County that was located just a few hundred yards from a popular fishing and recreation area. Furthermore, just recently, two officers with the Lassen County Sheriff's Department were shot when they came across another marijuana garden on public land. Thankfully, these officers survived their injuries, but it is simply a matter of time before innocent lives are lost. I will continue working with the proper authorities and organizations to ensure the federal government does its part to address this real and growing problem.
That's why the fishermen were happy 
Seriously, this is a concern for me.
I tend to go to places out in the middle of nowhere, looking for remnant populations of Rana draytonii, etc.
Unlike some drugs, the effect of Marijuana on those who use it is rather benign.
I don't want to end up getting shot and full of holes because I stumbled upon a marijuana field while looking for a frog that is thought to be extirpated in the county.
I don't ever hear about illegal tobacco fields or brussel sprout fields.
I do hear about illegal moonshine operations, but again, they only exist because of heavy alcohol regulation - regulation that was initially put into place for the wrong reason.
Make marijuana legal to openly grow.
Given that the frog I'm looking for hasn't been seen in this county in almost 100 years and marijuana fields are regularly found, I'm guessing I'm far more likely to stumble upon the latter rather than the former. Make it legal to openly grow, and the only worry I'll have is the momma bear and possibly older mountain lions too weak to effectively hunt deer. They make mace that is quite effective for those situations.
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#2 2009-07-01 11:07 pm
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My response that I submitted to his feedback server -
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In one of your e-updates, you noted several recent incidents regarding marijuana fields and shootings.
That is one of many reasons why it should be legal to openly grow.
I do not smoke pot or use any mind altering substance, with the exception of the occasional beer (alcoholism runs in family so I limit that to one or two a month).
I do however enjoy a hobby called field herping - the search for and documentation of wild reptiles and amphibians. I run this web site: http://www.shastaherps.org/
Seriously, this is a concern for me.
I tend to go to places out in the middle of nowhere, looking for remnant populations of the California Red-legged Frog (Rana draytonii), etc.
Unlike some drugs, the effect of Marijuana on those who use it is rather benign.
I don't want to end up getting shot and full of holes because I stumbled upon a marijuana field while looking for a frog that is thought to be extirpated in the county.
I don't ever hear about illegal tobacco fields or brussel sprout fields.
I do hear about illegal moonshine operations, but again, they only exist because of heavy alcohol regulation - regulation that was initially put into place for the wrong reason.
Make marijuana legal to openly grow.
Given that the frog I'm looking for hasn't been seen in this county in almost 100 years and marijuana fields are regularly found, I'm guessing I'm far more likely to stumble upon the latter rather than the former. Make it legal to openly grow, and the only worry I'll have is the momma bear and possibly older mountain lions too weak to effectively hunt deer. They make mace that is quite effective for those situations.
As a Republican, most federal infringement on states rights bother me, but of special concern are the ones that put me in danger. The federal stance on marijuana is one of those.
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#3 2009-07-02 9:58 am
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You'll get no argument from me.
I would only add that there are many beneficial uses for the plant that don't involve "getting high" off it. Plastics, cloth, paints, food, paper, food and lubricating oils and many, many more substances can be created from the plant and its components.
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#4 2009-07-02 10:06 am
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Control freaks love conformists. Pot and conformity are rarely mentioned in the same sentence.
And you can bet on this Independence Day, I'll be the one with my middle finger in the air and a joint in the other.
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#5 2009-07-02 10:25 am
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Decriminalize it.
Let people grow it for their own head. They can give it away, but not sell it.
If someone wants some, it makes a nice enough houseplant.
Make the sale of it tightly controlled.
Allow commercial growth for industrial/textile use.
I am wary of the mediucal/drug marijuanna being commercially available, as then the drug companies and laws will try their darndest to make life difficult for home-growers.
Don't allow commercial growth on public land.
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#6 2009-07-02 10:33 am
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Allow commercial growth on private land.
The plant is relatively easy to grow, so there won't be the profit motive of growing it in the national forest because the wholesale worth of marijuana will plummet.
No more shootouts with cops, no more damage to the natural fauna, problem solved.
The natural mind altering substances are all pretty much benign, it's the chemically produced and enhanced substances that are really dangerous, and they tend to cooked in cheap motel rooms and trailer parks.
Even the plant cocaine comes from is relatively benign in its natural form.
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#7 2009-07-02 10:40 am
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It should be legal, and the cultivation of marijuana for personal use should be completely legal as well, just like how things currently exist for alcohol today.
The #1 reason why tobacco is not home grown is because its a hard plant to cultivate. Marijuana is a weed.
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#8 2009-07-02 11:10 am
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Not to mention no more jail sentences for people convicted of growing a plant.
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#10 2009-07-02 1:10 pm
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think green....
screw dupont and it's synthetic rope.
hemp rope rules and is 100% biodegradable.
the cloth isn't bad either.
the smokable is a viable side product as well.
good revenue x3 ... zero ( other than the CO2 ) contaminants.
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#11 2009-07-02 1:37 pm
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"The #1 reason why tobacco is not home grown is because its a hard plant to cultivate. Marijuana is a weed."
If you don't care and just want to grow- sure it's real easy.
Now, if you want something worth smoking, then it's going to require a bit more than throwing a seed on the ground and pissing on it.
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#12 2009-07-02 3:58 pm
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Any of you ever tried Bugler tobacco? I think all that took was piss, soil, and sunlight. 
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#13 2009-07-02 4:12 pm
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zoees wrote:
Now, if you want something worth smoking, then it's going to require a bit more than throwing a seed on the ground and pissing on it.
Nah, my dad used to grow it in a pot on his windowsill. It wasn't teh chronic, but it was much more pleasant than cigarettes.
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#14 2009-07-02 4:55 pm
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Re: Why marijuana should be legal
zoees wrote:
"The #1 reason why tobacco is not home grown is because its a hard plant to cultivate. Marijuana is a weed."
If you don't care and just want to grow- sure it's real easy.
Now, if you want something worth smoking, then it's going to require a bit more than throwing a seed on the ground and pissing on it.
Not really. If you have good seed stock and live in the right climate, you can grow excellent pot with damn little effort.
It might not win any High Times awards but still plenty kind.
Personally I find a lot of the commercial pot to be too strong. I would rather chill with a nice doob instead of having to watch it with some "one hit wonder".
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#15 2009-07-02 7:05 pm
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Pariah wrote:
Personally I find a lot of the commercial pot to be too strong. I would rather chill with a nice doob instead of having to watch it with some "one hit wonder".
Same here. I smoke infrequently as it is, but the last couple of buds I've encountered were stupifyingly strong.
I don't mind getting stupified every now and then, but this stuff made my normal "altitude check" well near impossible.
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#16 2009-07-02 7:39 pm
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Then smoke less. Know your tolerance level.
The point is the stronger the weed the better as you need less (I just complained to my dealer and he got some dif/better stuff). Some weeds produce different highs though so that was probably the issue.
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#17 2009-07-02 8:13 pm
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wellfleation wrote:
Then smoke less. Know your tolerance level.
The point is the stronger the weed the better as you need less (I just complained to my dealer and he got some dif/better stuff). Some weeds produce different highs though so that was probably the issue.
Less than one hit? 
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#18 2009-07-02 10:18 pm
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Pariah wrote:
zoees wrote:
"The #1 reason why tobacco is not home grown is because its a hard plant to cultivate. Marijuana is a weed."
If you don't care and just want to grow- sure it's real easy.
Now, if you want something worth smoking, then it's going to require a bit more than throwing a seed on the ground and pissing on it.Not really. If you have good seed stock and live in the right climate, you can grow excellent pot with damn little effort.
It might not win any High Times awards but still plenty kind.
Personally I find a lot of the commercial pot to be too strong. I would rather chill with a nice doob instead of having to watch it with some "one hit wonder".
I wish I lived where you're talking about. The risk of doing it here, outdoors, would be insane.
I do agree with you- It certainly can be done.
And yes man sometimes I don't want to be completely cooked from a couple hits myself every time. 
smurf it, legal or not, pot is everywhere.
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#19 2009-07-03 3:47 am
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I don't personally know anything about growing it, but a grower I knew said the hardest thing was keeping some kind bug (thripe??) away from them w/o pesticides because pesticides apparently ruin it.
As far as the concentration of the bud, I think the way it is dried has a lot to do with that.
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#20 2009-07-03 9:39 am
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Re: Why marijuana should be legal
Pariah wrote:
wellfleation wrote:
Then smoke less. Know your tolerance level.
The point is the stronger the weed the better as you need less (I just complained to my dealer and he got some dif/better stuff). Some weeds produce different highs though so that was probably the issue.Less than one hit?
Don't inhale. 
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#21 2009-07-03 12:26 pm
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All of you that intend to light one up do an extra one on my behalf.
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#22 2009-07-03 1:51 pm
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resedit wrote:
I don't personally know anything about growing it, but a grower I knew said the hardest thing was keeping some kind bug (thripe??) away from them w/o pesticides because pesticides apparently ruin it.
As far as the concentration of the bud, I think the way it is dried has a lot to do with that.
Around here it's all grown indoors with hydroponics. Initially it's tough because only one sex of plant is psychotropic, and the other sex pollinates and thus ruins the good sex. And concentration of THC has to do with the strain of pot you grow. 
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#23 2009-07-06 7:59 am
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jkahless wrote:
resedit wrote:
I don't personally know anything about growing it, but a grower I knew said the hardest thing was keeping some kind bug (thripe??) away from them w/o pesticides because pesticides apparently ruin it.
As far as the concentration of the bud, I think the way it is dried has a lot to do with that.Around here it's all grown indoors with hydroponics. Initially it's tough because only one sex of plant is psychotropic, and the other sex pollinates and thus ruins the good sex. And concentration of THC has to do with the strain of pot you grow.
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As soon as the male plants show sex- yank them, bury them, do whatever with them, just get them away from the females. The result will be larger, more potent buds with no seeds. You start with twelve and end up with 4 or 5 females- depending on your luck.
Funny how the police reports always count whatever plant is found as a 3,000 dollar goldmine. Experienced growers may get a half to three-quarter pound after drying. Your average Joe will be lucky to get a couple oz's.
And no matter how you "cure" it- ditch-weed will always be ditch-weed.
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#24 2009-07-06 9:10 am
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zoees wrote:
As soon as the male plants show sex- yank them, bury them, do whatever with them, just get them away from the females. The result will be larger, more potent buds with no seeds. You start with twelve and end up with 4 or 5 females- depending on your luck.
Funny how the police reports always count whatever plant is found as a 3,000 dollar goldmine. Experienced growers may get a half to three-quarter pound after drying. Your average Joe will be lucky to get a couple oz's.
Cops and D.A. s have been known to weigh entire plants -roots and all, male & female.
I don't understand how they get away with that. Then again, yes I do.
Scary.
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#25 2009-07-06 9:24 am
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They might as well weigh the soil, planter, and lights, they're all accomplices in summoning the devil weed.
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