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#1 2009-07-01 10:41 am

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States miss budget deadlines

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Legislators in more than a half-dozen states, their revenues evaporating in the recession, are frantically working to stave off government shutdowns and devastating service cuts. California failed to meet a midnight deadline and now may need to issue IOUs instead of paying bills.

Across the country, lawmakers are feeling the heat as their legislatures began the new fiscal year without a budget in place.

In Illinois, the sputtering drive to come up with a state budget broke down completely Tuesday, leaving the state without any plan for paying its employees or delivering government services. The session ended without any firm plans to return or even for Gov. Pat Quinn and legislative leaders to resume negotiations.

In Pennsylvania, talks between Gov. Ed Rendell and top legislators ended Tuesday night with no substantial progress, aides said. Rendell said he didn’t think an agreement would come soon. The state faces the prospect of not being able to pay state employees if they cannot resolve an impasse.

The end of June marked the end of the fiscal year in many states, meaning lawmakers worked late Tuesday to pass budgets in a year that has seen the recession take a devastating toll on government finances.

Fallout from California’s budget mess threatened to spread nationwide because of the sheer size of the state’s economy. The Senate rejected three bills designed to save $5 billion, including $3.3 billion in education funding cuts that had to be enacted before Wednesday.

Calif., other states face tough budget choices


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#2 2009-07-01 11:55 am

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

Illinois Faces New Fiscal Year with No Budget
Produced by Sean Crawford on Wednesday, July 01, 2009

Illinois Governor Pat Quinn has a budget on his desk. But he says he'll veto it, even as the new fiscal year begins today

Speaking to a rare joint session of the House and Senate, Quinn says the state's deficit shows there's a need to make tough decisions. But what Quinn wants and what he got are two different things. Quinn's push for an income tax increase came up short. Because of it, he told members of the General Assembly their work is far from complete.

QUINN: I'm prepared to stay here all summer to get the job done. I think that's what people want. That's why we're here: to get the job done. Whatever it takes.

Lawmakers sent the Governor a budget that covers only about half the funding Quinn requested for social service needs. Then, they went home. When they might return is anyone's guess, although Quinn could call the legislature back to Springfield.

Despite the dawn of the new fiscal year and no budget in place, state government is expected to keep operating, at least for a while.

Related: Budget woes hit service agencies
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Poll: Cut services or raise taxes?

http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/Conte … ioID=35211


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#3 2009-07-01 12:30 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

There's a whole lotta smurfed goin' on.

I suspect this will be happening to the federal government too, before long. Maybe next year.


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#4 2009-07-01 12:48 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

What the governator could do as a short term fix is ignore some of the most money-wasting propositions, and wait for the proponents to sue. Sure, he would probably lose - but in the meantime he would be getting some revenue.

Who knows, if it's effective enough; some of those props might even get repealed - if it can be proven they are helping cause the state's economic woes.

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#5 2009-07-01 12:53 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

radarman wrote:

What the governator could do as a short term fix is ignore some of the most money-wasting propositions, and wait for the proponents to sue. Sure, he would probably lose - but in the meantime he would be getting some revenue.

Who knows, if it's effective enough; some of those props might even get repealed - if it can be proven they are helping cause the state's economic woes.

No offense, but that's about the worst strategy I ever heard of. "Probably" losing means that money will have to be paid later on, with interest (and legal costs). At best it buys a little bit of time.


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#6 2009-07-01 12:57 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

ShnickyShnack wrote:

radarman wrote:

What the governator could do as a short term fix is ignore some of the most money-wasting propositions, and wait for the proponents to sue. Sure, he would probably lose - but in the meantime he would be getting some revenue.

Who knows, if it's effective enough; some of those props might even get repealed - if it can be proven they are helping cause the state's economic woes.

No offense, but that's about the worst strategy I ever heard of. "Probably" losing means that money will have to be paid later on, with interest (and legal costs). At best it buys a little bit of time.

Hey, they just said it's an emergency, didn't they? This is the kind of hail-Mary pass that could just win the game. wink

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#7 2009-07-01 1:01 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

Yeah, we're pretty well smurfed. Oh well, Happy Canada Day!


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#8 2009-07-01 1:05 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

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#9 2009-07-01 1:18 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

North Carolina will come as close to no new taxes as possible, meanwhile passing a smoke-and-mirror flimflam that gets hashed out in a smoke-filled room.

The old fashioned way.

Except, the gas tax is uncapped starting today.


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#10 2009-07-01 5:59 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

Oklahoma is a spectacle to behold.
OK has the most incredibly unstable funding basis I have ever seen. A large majority of state revenues are from sales or excise so state income fluctuates wildly with the economy. 9 years ago, when I moved here, the state was firing teachers left and right. Two years latter when the Bush bubble was inflating they were desperate to hire teachers, now they are firing all those teachers.
It's absolute insanity but there is no movement whatsoever to change things. Oklahomans are incredibly apathetic and culturally unable to recognize a problem with an unstable, regressive tax policy.


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#11 2009-07-01 8:39 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

Pariah wrote:

Oklahomans are incredibly regressive.

Simplified for ya'.


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#12 2009-07-02 3:38 am

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In an odd twist, it seems to be more the (D)s opposing Quinn's proposed income tax hike, which he shifted to being willing to make temporary (say two years' worth) to get thru this crunch. The budget the (D)-dominated legislature handed him instead nixed the tax hike in favor of huge cuts in social services... so what if the poor go hungry, health care goes to Hell in the Pres' home state etc.; the poor don't vote and midterms are coming up.

Way to go guys, Mike. You made The List.


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#13 2009-07-02 5:48 am

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

Bat wrote:

In an odd twist, it seems to be more the (D)s opposing Quinn's proposed income tax hike, which he shifted to being willing to make temporary (say two years' worth) to get thru this crunch. The budget the (D)-dominated legislature handed him instead nixed the tax hike in favor of huge cuts in social services... so what if the poor go hungry, health care goes to Hell in the Pres' home state etc.; the poor don't vote and midterms are coming up.

Way to go guys, Mike. You made The List.

You mean those health care programs Blago just started all on his own and the legislature expressly told him no on?


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#14 2009-07-02 5:33 pm

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Obviously I don't have the whole budget doc in hand, but my understanding at this point is that cuts range to 50% across the board. At that rate I might not even be able to get a wheelchair now.


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#15 2009-07-05 6:54 am

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

So?

Protesting spending, socialism and big government, hundreds of people gathered at the intersection of South College Road and Oleander Drive on Saturday for a July 4th Tea Party Rally.

The protest, which was sponsored by the Wilmington Campaign for Liberty and the Cape Fear Tea Party Patriots, followed in the footsteps of tea party protests held around the country on April 15 for Tax Day.

Organizers estimated between 100 and 200 people gathered Saturday, carrying signs and waving flags.

“It’s a protest against the encroachment of government, reducing its size, going back to our Constitution,” said Cary Naramore, one of the protest’s organizers. “Independence Day is just a very good day to think about our founding fathers, to educate everybody, to educate the masses to the voice of dissent against the rush to socialism.”

Others at the protest echoed Naramore’s sentiments, citing different aspects of government but above all the need for education.

“This is a long time coming,” fellow organizer Jennifer Bias said. “We’ve basically been fighting since 1913 when the Federal Reserve took power. We have Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians out here for the same reason. Government is becoming this monstrosity, becoming less and less free. Unless people wake up to this, there will be no relief.”

While many of the protestors carried homemade signs with various slogans, Frank Nichols took it one step farther, coming in full costume.

“People ask that (what the costume is) all the time, who am I supposed to be,” Nichols said. “I’m Paul Revere. I’m getting the word out. I want people to understand where we came from and where we’re heading, down the road to socialism. If you have $1 in your pocket, you can’t spend 100.”

Bob Burke said he was worried about government establishing new policies before fixing current ones, citing the push for a national health care system before fixing Medicare and Medicaid.

“I’m not opposed to programs that are told in advance with price tags. But if you can’t fix what we have now, why put new things in?” Burke said. “I’m a veteran, and I’d go back in if they’d take me. That’s what this country used to be about.

‘I just want people to know what they’re doing. There’s no one you can put in office that won’t make a mistake. Just be up front about it.”

The photo shows about 6 people. But, could have missed the crowd, I suppose.
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/2 … arty-Rally


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#16 2009-07-06 2:59 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

Public health officials in Chicago are calling on state lawmakers to craft a responsible public health budget.

Last week Illinois Governor Pat Quinn vetoed a budget bill that would have severely cut into human services, including public health.

But Commissioner Dr. Terry Mason says in spite of that veto, cuts like those proposed by lawmakers would endanger his department's ability to fight infectious diseases.

MASON: There will be 8,000 fewer case investigations of such infections as salmonella, e. coli, hepatitis, meningitis, rabies, MRSA, and swine flu. Yes, that’s right, swine flu.

Public health officials say lawmakers need to work out a budget compromise with Governor Quinn by July 14th.

State Budget Cuts Would Affect the City's Ability to Fight Infectious Diseases


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#17 2009-07-06 4:04 pm

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Bat wrote:

Public health officials in Chicago are calling on state lawmakers to craft a responsible public health budget.

Last week Illinois Governor Pat Quinn vetoed a budget bill that would have severely cut into human services, including public health.

But Commissioner Dr. Terry Mason says in spite of that veto, cuts like those proposed by lawmakers would endanger his department's ability to fight infectious diseases.

MASON: There will be 8,000 fewer case investigations of such infections as salmonella, e. coli, hepatitis, meningitis, rabies, MRSA, and swine flu. Yes, that’s right, swine flu.

Public health officials say lawmakers need to work out a budget compromise with Governor Quinn by July 14th.

State Budget Cuts Would Affect the City's Ability to Fight Infectious Diseases

So? Just drink more tea.


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#18 2009-07-06 4:29 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

And eat more peppers!


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#19 2009-07-06 4:55 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

sturner wrote:

And eat more peppers!

My habaneros are coming on now big_smile


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#20 2009-07-06 4:57 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

Cool.

Here's a recipe to try with them next time you have friends, or enemies over.

Cut the habaneros tops off and fill with a sherbert of your taste. It's called "Fire and Ice".

Enjoy.


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#21 2009-07-06 4:58 pm

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Make sure to have some dairy on hand.


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#22 2009-07-06 5:00 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

But of course mon Capitaine! Milk will kill the burn.


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#23 2009-07-06 5:01 pm

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Where is the fun in that?


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#24 2009-07-06 5:04 pm

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Re: States miss budget deadlines

You could sell them shot glasses of milk, for a tidy profit!

wink big_smile


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#25 2009-07-06 5:10 pm

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Hefty price to prevent stingring. Y'all are cruel bastards.


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