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#1 2009-07-06 3:50 pm
- sturner
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Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
Microsoft warns of unfixed security holein Windows XP and Windows Server.
Remarkable only in that they are warning of it before releasing a patch to fix it.
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#2 2009-07-06 8:55 pm
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
Well, it's more remarkable in the sense that it allows remote execution of code without user intervention (except for getting them to a website). That's why Microsoft is sending out the security bulletin, so that administrators can disable the running of the ActiveX control until the patch is released.
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#3 2009-07-06 9:02 pm
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
This... shatters so many illusions...
::wanders off, a broken man::
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#4 2009-07-07 12:40 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
Incredible that they warn us after so many years. I think that we all new this somehow. They needn't to tell us.
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#5 2009-07-07 1:06 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
gd wrote:
Incredible that they warn us after so many years. I think that we all new this somehow. They needn't to tell us.
Jokes aside... what? Did you not read Books' post? What did we 'know?'
This isn't some vague issue, it's very specific, like the iPhone executing SMS binary as root- likely more. Let it be known, patch it, same as any OS.
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#6 2009-07-07 1:37 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
Dude chill. Only joking. Yes I did read Bookley's post. Aside from that I don't get why this is happening now.
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#7 2009-07-07 2:30 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
The Reg refers to a Zero Day exploit. Malware has surfaced, & there's protective action that can be taken before a formal patch.
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#8 2009-07-07 2:39 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
Does that mean that you could just switch your browser from smurfing IE to anything else. Really, what I think is that MS should just discontinue the browsers they make and create an interface where you get a list of browsers to download before you can start your web surfing. Lets completely eradicate IE.
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to me. Any idiot that tries to get me to use it on a pc even if it is not mine will see a new browser where the IE icon was. 
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#9 2009-07-07 3:16 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
gd wrote:
Does that mean that you could just switch your browser from smurfing IE to anything else. Really, what I think is that MS should just discontinue the browsers they make and create an interface where you get a list of browsers to download before you can start your web surfing. Lets completely eradicate IE.
IE isto me. Any idiot that tries to get me to use it on a pc even if it is not mine will see a new browser where the IE icon was.
Your turn. 
Ever try to use a site- say, a bank- that requires IE? Many exist. As a teen, you likely don't bank online, so may never have. I use more than one browser.
How do I put this diplomatically in teenspeak? Hmm...
Touch a PC of mine... 
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#10 2009-07-07 6:38 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
I dunno, I actually think IE8 is pretty good. Now IE6 (no tabs) and IE 7 (tabs take up too much room) can go DIAF.
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#11 2009-07-07 11:33 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
I still object to limiting a site to only Windows or only IE. To me it's a mark of incompetence and laziness. It also doesn't mean that their security is better than on a more open website.
I've been on financial sites that allowed all OSes and browsers and I believe that their sites are much more secure than a Bank that might be using ActiveX.
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#12 2009-07-07 3:12 pm
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
I cannot speak to the security issue re IE and/or ActiveX - it is simply beyond my field of competence. My gut tells me IE8 is more secure than IE7 and certainly more so than IE5/6. But IE8 is still IE and works like IE and that is simply unacceptable to me, even if it were demonstrably the most secure browser going. I'm sure there are holes in IE8, just as I am sure there are holes in Firefox and Safari and accessories like QuickTime, Flash/Shockwave and Silverlight, etc. It is the nature of this crap and I've just learned to live with it.
I can speak to compatibility issues. I find it disturbingly amusing that I pretty much have to use Firefox to access anything on any Microsoft site. I've tried to make IE8 work with the Live stuff and had erratic results, mostly bad. Trying to find, let alone download the Win7 RC iso was a bust in IE8. I can make Firefox or IE work with my bank's website but honestly it is easier just to drive across town and get my book updated by a teller.
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#13 2009-07-08 2:58 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
sturner wrote:
I still object to limiting a site to only Windows or only IE. To me it's a mark of incompetence and laziness. It also doesn't mean that their security is better than on a more open website.
I don't debate that point at all. Just saying it's been a fact of life, hopefully one that will change over time as other browsers make inroads on IE's share. But.. as long as I use some sites that require IE, I'll keep it for use. (Also, for some reason FF has had epic fail on importing 5 years of IE bookmarks I'm loathe to lose; I could never rebuild it all from memory). Biggest point anyway was, I'd have the most problem if someone walked up and tampered with my compy386, especially something like losing that 5 years of data. There'd be consequences.
With my limited C space, I haven't installed 8 yet. (7 was 'patched' with MS' 'FixItNow' hotfix- which, later, required me to shift to FF to download VLC 1.0.0). My impression from readings are, not too bad if you know IE; needs to be faster; needs to catch up on things lke Acid 3 compliance. Security of IE is better on Vista (and 7), as pointed out in one of the articles. But hey, if you don't need or like it, don't use it.
ActiveX isn't as bad as it used to be, but may have security issues for some time, perhaps until replaced as a class. Yeah, everything has holes- Apple is slower than MS at patches; OSX Server took a month+ to patch awhile back, the iPhone executes SMS as root, Safari for Windows had awful holes early on. Nothing's halfway perfect. I can see using FF increasingly as time goes on; there's a lot to learn about extensions and its other potentials and idiosyncracies. Learning curve.
Oh, and, last I checked, Comcast only offered tech support for IE, should one need it. Doing my own, I rarely do, but it's an issue.
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#14 2009-07-08 3:32 am
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Re: Microsoft has a Security hole!!!!!
Bat wrote:
gd wrote:
Does that mean that you could just switch your browser from smurfing IE to anything else. Really, what I think is that MS should just discontinue the browsers they make and create an interface where you get a list of browsers to download before you can start your web surfing. Lets completely eradicate IE.
IE isto me. Any idiot that tries to get me to use it on a pc even if it is not mine will see a new browser where the IE icon was.
Your turn.
Ever try to use a site- say, a bank- that requires IE? Many exist. As a teen, you likely don't bank online, so may never have. I use more than one browser.
How do I put this diplomatically in teenspeak? Hmm...
Touch a PC of mine...
I have used santandernet.com My parents use that one and sometimes they ask me to pay the bills for them but that one doesn't require IE.
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