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#51 2009-08-28 11:37 am
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
my s-leo is sitting at home waiting for me
why do I have to be at work 
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#52 2009-08-28 11:45 am
Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
[i'll answer my owned damned question!!] 
up to date orders only SHIP today; they will not be received. only PREORDERS are being received today.
i say thats some smurfing bullsmurf, but... whatever.
suck it, trebek.
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#53 2009-08-28 11:46 am
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
mrreet2001 wrote:
my s-leo is sitting at home waiting for me
why do I have to be at work
At least you're working. My Snow Leopard purchase is effectively being put on the "splurge" list until my cash flow situation improves.
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#54 2009-08-28 11:48 am
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
LukeLucas wrote:
[i'll answer my owned damned question!!]
up to date orders only SHIP today; they will not be received. only PREORDERS are being received today.
i say thats some smurfing bullsmurf, but... whatever.
Too late to cancel the ship, and just head over to the store today, i guess?
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#55 2009-08-28 12:12 pm
Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
SomeOneOrOther wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
As per the MacLife web article:
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/
Vuze is 4.2.0.8 now and supposedly worksThat's a handy link!
That's why I posted it.
And Disk Warrior 4.2 is officially out and supported.
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#56 2009-08-28 12:42 pm
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
ScifiterX wrote:
SomeOneOrOther wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
As per the MacLife web article:
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/
Vuze is 4.2.0.8 now and supposedly worksThat's a handy link!
That's why I posted it.
And Disk Warrior 4.2 is officially out and supported.
Great! I'll be requesting the free update disk that they offer for 4.1 users.
EDIT: It's actually a teeny-tiny download, rather than an all-out disk.
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#57 2009-08-28 1:30 pm
- SomeOneOrOther
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
ScifiterX wrote:
SomeOneOrOther wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
As per the MacLife web article:
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/
Vuze is 4.2.0.8 now and supposedly worksThat's a handy link!
That's why I posted it.
And Disk Warrior 4.2 is officially out and supported.
Here's another one for you, Apple's "Mac OS X v10.6: About incompatible software" list:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3258
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#58 2009-08-28 1:38 pm
Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
SomeOneOrOther wrote:
LukeLucas wrote:
[i'll answer my owned damned question!!]
up to date orders only SHIP today; they will not be received. only PREORDERS are being received today.
i say thats some smurfing bullsmurf, but... whatever.Too late to cancel the ship, and just head over to the store today, i guess?
yeah, too late to cancel.
suck it, trebek.
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#59 2009-08-28 2:28 pm
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
LukeLucas wrote:
SomeOneOrOther wrote:
LukeLucas wrote:
[i'll answer my owned damned question!!]
up to date orders only SHIP today; they will not be received. only PREORDERS are being received today.
i say thats some smurfing bullsmurf, but... whatever.Too late to cancel the ship, and just head over to the store today, i guess?
yeah, too late to cancel.
That sucks, dude, and I doubt Apple ships same-day.
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#61 2009-08-28 3:28 pm
Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
Time Machine back up complete. Snow Kitty upgrade commencing...
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#62 2009-08-28 3:51 pm
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
There is NO placebo effect here. My programs including Safari are significantly faster. Blows away 10.5
I did have an issue which I posted about in the forum bellow.
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#63 2009-08-28 4:39 pm
Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
So far, so good. Safari runs great. Javascript-heavy sites are much more responsive - and I have a lowly 32-bit system.
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#64 2009-08-28 5:04 pm
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
I'm in 64-bit goodness - wow!
Presently downloading and making a disk image image of Diskwarrior. I quit all programs and this is taking awhile. I want to keep checking things out but better safe than sorry.
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#65 2009-08-28 6:22 pm
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
QuickTime icon looks bizarre.
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#66 2009-08-28 6:41 pm
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
Some nice left/right click options. I'm quickly getting used to the black foreground.
I think my MBP has a few more years in it now. Seems like a really nice update, especially for only $29. My Mac really does seem waaaaaaay faster with native Apple apps. In every way possible. Start-up time alone has been cut in half, for one example. The finder flies - finally feels similar to the speed of OS9.
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#67 2009-08-28 10:11 pm
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
wellfleation wrote:
Some nice left/right click options. I'm quickly getting used to the black foreground.
I think my MBP has a few more years in it now. Seems like a really nice update, especially for only $29. My Mac really does seem waaaaaaay faster with native Apple apps. In every way possible. Start-up time alone has been cut in half, for one example. The finder flies - finally feels similar to the speed of OS9.
Is there an option to turn off pinch & close in Safari or in System Prefs yet? I trigger that so often by accident because I like to leave my thumb on the track pad. I can't believe there's no way to turn that yet.
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#70 2009-08-29 12:03 am
Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
Isn't 64 bit supposed to take twice the ram?
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#71 2009-08-29 12:29 am
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
It's working nicely.
I'm not dead yet.
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#72 2009-08-29 12:52 am
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
pirloui wrote:
Isn't 64 bit supposed to take twice the ram?
Not really. Addresses are certainly longer, but the size of the data members themselves are the same. In a typical program, the number of data members far exceeds the number of references to said data.
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#73 2009-08-29 3:35 am
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
Snow Leo is significantly more responsive. Everything just seems to happen faster. Windows pop up faster, apps launch faster, and the GUI effects are silky smooth, even when there's a log going on. Here's a subtle detail nobody's mentioned yet: When you minimize a window, the shadow remains with the window as it shrinks to the dock. The old behavior was to ditch the shadow to improve animation speed, but such tricks are no longer necessary.
Dock navigation is significantly improved --and they managed improved it without crippling it (it's still spring-loaded, and you've still got list view folks). Dock expose is more useful than I anticipated. Compared to the keyboard shortcuts, Dock expose gives you the ability to "F10" an app that's not currently active. I've never really been a dock fan, but the latest iteration is pretty close to "good," imo. The only glaring issue I see is the inability to change the icon size, which they've supersized in Snow Leopard.
With the new QuickTime player, Apple --again-- seems to be violating its own UI guidelines. Inconsistency aside, the new player looks pretty damn cool. Full-screen for free! They did get rid of some pro functionality, however. I guess it's sorta like the iMovie 08 debacle. The app is arguably a bit more consumer-friendly, at the expense of pro-sumer functionality. And by including a QuickTime 7 as an optional install, Apple is effectively announcing that QT7 is going to be the last version with the Pro functionality.
The old Finder had a grid alignment bug, where it was possible to reach a state within a folder, where you could have two sets of icons, each aligned to one of two slightly different grids. If you selected all of the icons and dragged slightly, they would not snap into the same grid. Instead, all of the icons from the first grid would align to the second grid, and vice versa. The only solution was to individually select all of the icons from one grid (and no others), and then drag slightly. Then, they would align with the other icons. I posted a thread on this a while back, and I was the only one who seemed to notice it (I've since discovered a way to easily reproduce the behavior). Anyway, the new Finder seems to have squashed this purely cosmetic bug!
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#74 2009-08-29 3:36 am
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
Bad news:
It looks like they're killing Carbon. You can no longer start a Carbon project in Xcode, and I'm getting deprecation warnings left and right in my existing apps. If true, this pretty much spells doom for cross-platform development. Carbon isn't a mere relic of the OS 9 glory days --It's the only C/C++ interface to Mac OS X.
A few months ago, I began working on a cross-platform game in OpenGL. So far, I've been successful at abstracting away the platform-specific differences between Mac and Windows. I now have a common interface for windowing, input, timing, and file I/O. I designed my code to weather API changes; the only requirement being that the API has a C++ interface. All that, pretty much gets shot to hell when you get rid of Carbon. Re-writing everything I've just mentioned is a waste of time. But it's more than re-writing my interfaces. I have to figure out a way to wrap C++ around all the Cocoa stuff.
I don't know wtf is going on over at Apple... It's one thing to promote your own language, but effectively neutering C/C++, THE industry standard language, is borderline insane. Wonder why Photoshop and Office aren't 64-Bit yet? Might have something to do with the fact that they have to learn a new, syntactically-bizarre, language, and completely rewrite their programs literally from the ground-up. What a wonderful idea! Meanwhile, Apple's official position seems to be "do as I say, not as I do" --Their brand spanking new Final Cut Studio 3 is still chock full 'o Carbon.
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#75 2009-08-29 4:36 am
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Re: Snow Leopard - Aug 28
Mr. T wrote:
..the new QuickTime player.. looks pretty damn cool. Full-screen for free!
What I say the last two years? Videocard hardware accel finally properly tapped.
They did get rid of some pro functionality, however.
'Save as' functions, perhaps?
Bad news: It looks like they're killing Carbon.
Apple's official position seems to be "do as I say, not as I do" --Their brand spanking new Final Cut Studio 3 is still chock full 'o Carbon.
::Apple Legal drops by::
::Mr. T encased in Carbonite::
Gee, he doesn't look anything like Harrison Ford... 
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