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bratboy wrote:

Of course.

I think the most positive thing to come out of all of this is that many have apparently discovered that protesting isn't just for commie liberal youth anymore.

It never has been.
Do you not recall the numerous protests at abortion clinics?

resedit wrote:

It never has been.
Do you not recall the numerous protests at abortion clinics?

That's true!

You also have your book burnings, your anti-desegregation rallies, your anti-gay marriage rallies, etc.  I guess some have been in on the fun.   Oh yeah, and the pour-out-the-french-wine events.

We did hear an awful lot of "you're with us or against us" talk during the Bush years, unfortunately.

Imagine the seizures these "people" would have if Obama, unprovoked, invaded and occupied a country.

resedit wrote:

Rather than understanding that some people have a different idea and perspective on how things should be run and are voicing that idea, the left likes to assign in-defensible motives and declare that those are the real reasons why we oppose what we oppose.

You are more than welcome to offer a legitimate defense to any of the positions that have been criticized (and you have, right down to the nazi germany comparisons).

Don't tell me that I'm not giving the these guys a chance, though:

resedit wrote:

I am going off of what these people are SAYING, what they're posting on their websites, what they're screaming in Town Hall meetings, what they were screaming at McCain/Palin rallies, and what the signs say that they're holding.

Show me where they are saying racist things, posting racist things, screaming racist things, and I'll show you that are rejected by the mainstream opposition.

So you can show people or groups on the right rejecting Glenn Beck's statements that the President hates white people ?

resedit wrote:

However, I do think we must learn from the past, and I also think that we, the United States, are making the same kind of mistakes that Germany made that allowed the Nazi party to take over.

I'm sorry, it's simply ridiculous to assert that one can make a neutral or non-inflammatory comparison to THE NAZIS!  The comparison to "Nazi Germany, Iran, and Chavez" was quite obviously intended to be inflammatory and to invoke images of dictatorial regimes. 

If someone wants to raise the specter of "socialism," there are plenty of modern day examples.

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

However, I do think we must learn from the past, and I also think that we, the United States, are making the same kind of mistakes that Germany made that allowed the Nazi party to take over.

I'm sorry, it's simply ridiculous to assert that one can make a neutral or non-inflammatory comparison to THE NAZIS!

That's your opinion.
An opinion I do not share.

I think it is stupid and ridiculous NOT to look at one of the most evil regimes of our time and look at how it happened and what led to it.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

resedit wrote:

We would have the same opposition if Hilary were president and doing those things.
We would have the same opposition if Kerry were president and doing those things.

You have absolutely no grounds for claiming that. We can never know what would be happening in alternate realities.

One may as well speculate about what would be happening now if a Borg collective were to have arrived in 1946.

But you also don't have much ground this protest is for a big part; a color issue. In fact:
Bill clinton also faced opposition when he wanted to change health care.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/03 … 8757.shtml

Sure it helps to feed FEAR (for some), but mostly it's the fear of the government getting involved, fear that the people must pay for this, that healthcare is not a RIGHT but got to be deserved to get it (with hard working and making money yourself), selfish people kinda? And (the fear) that they must pay more for healthcare since many people who don't got jobs or a low wage also will get healthcare.
And of course all this spending but again Bush did same, and it's hardly socialism, just more capitalism, since nothing really changed.

But many should be silent if they supported Bush in those eight years, if not they kinda hypocrite.

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resedit wrote:

However, I do think we must learn from the past, and I also think that we, the United States, are making the same kind of mistakes that Germany made that allowed the Nazi party to take over.

Seems your grasp of 1920s-1930s German History isn't all that impressive. I am eager to see the parallels you can invent, though.

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

I think it is stupid and ridiculous NOT to look at one of the most evil regimes of our time and look at how it happened and what led to it.

And this is something you've done?  That's not apparent.

The anti-defamation league has strongly condemned such comparisons, you might note.

I don't give a damn what the anti-defamation league thinks.
I don't ask their permission before thinking.

Classic example - the Nazi's used propaganda showing respectable citizens and a few fat, poorly dressed, ugly individuals labeled "The Complainers". Very effective, you don't want to be part of that group!

Exact same tactic the left (particularly Pelosi) is using now to depict the tea party.

wow

So res seriously believes the democrats are like the nazis?

I thought this was just an exaggeration these people used to make their point and get attention, and that they knew it was bullsmurf... but here we are, our very own res trying to defend the claims. Amazing. I guess though it makes sense that someone who believes the world is only 8000 years old is gullible enough to buy into the mantras of Glen Beck and Sean Hannity.

Except for the band Rush.
They make up for Celine.