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#1 2009-09-26 8:00 pm

SomeOneOrOther
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Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

Is Apple behind the development of Intel's Light Peak?
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Engadget reports today, based on conversations with an 'extremely reliable source,' that Apple is behind the Light Peak technology, with C-suite-level discussions between the two companies dating back to 2007 about the specific implementation and capabilities of Light Peak.
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With the initial specification set to transfer data at a blistering 10Gpbs full duplex over cables as long as 100 meters (and with speeds up to 100Gbps lined up for future revisions), a single Light Peak connection could replace DVI, USB, gigabit Ethernet, FireWire, eSATA and just about anything else that would connect your computer to its environs.

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/09/26/is-apple … onnectivi/
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/26/excl … -could-be/


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#2 2009-09-26 8:10 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

Sounds like Jobs' doing.


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#3 2009-09-26 11:03 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

Kewl.

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#4 2009-09-27 9:08 am

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#5 2009-09-27 1:00 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe


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#6 2009-09-27 2:13 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

Hmm - I sort of like the concept. The problem I have is that one would need to radically alter a few of the data-paths within the computer.

Theoretically, with this system, one would expect to be able to hook their monitor's LP cable into any LP port on their computer. Current video cards provide their video hookups right on the backplane of the board, rather than feeding it back through the motherboard anywhere. If you wanted your monitor to plug into any LP port, you'd have to have the video available on any jack, the ones on your new video card, on the motherboard, the ones on the front of your case. Similarly I'd expect to be able to hook an external hard drive into the jack provided on the video card. Or a network cable into the case-front jack, rather than having a dedicated LP port labeled "network" on the back.


It would almost completely defeat the purpose if one could only hook up certain devices to certain LP port. Think the usb 1 v 2 and high power vs low power usb mess we already have, but 10 times worse.

If you make the plugs and sockets the same, one better damn well be able to plug any device into any socket and have it Just Work.


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#7 2009-09-27 3:29 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

sounds amazing

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#8 2009-09-28 12:56 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

I like it.  Of course I don't think you would "have to" alter anything.  It would be common knowledge that the monitor plugs into the LP port that is on the graphics card... duh!  Or that graphics port could have special label icon just like now.

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#9 2009-09-28 1:38 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

If you had to plug a particular accessory in a particular port ... wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of them having the same connector?


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#10 2009-09-28 2:01 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

You might say they've.... seen the light?


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#11 2009-09-29 8:51 am

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

mrreet2001 wrote:

If you had to plug a particular accessory in a particular port ... wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of them having the same connector?

Not really.  Graphics have always been plugged into a special port, so I see that as the only "special" case here.

The good thing about this is that it is able to handle multiple data stream types, if adopted, it will become a super commodity and therefore be cheap to add to other devices.

Although who knows how they will implement it.  Maybe the GFX card will just have a LP port on the card and be fed back to the motherboard.

I still feel that monitors should be fed by special dedicated LP ports though.

-mark

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#12 2009-09-29 9:05 am

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

If the monitor has to be plugged into a special port ... wouldn't be better if the port had a different connector. We (at my place of work) have lots of people that can't plug the keyboard and mouse (ps2) into the correct port (which are color coded). and users who can't plug the speakers into the right port, which are also normally color coded. roll

That would just create head aches if you had to plug something into a particular port when all the ports are exactly the same.


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#13 2009-09-29 11:28 am

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

I really don't think Apple would be using this for general purpose IO. It is not going to replace USB or DisplayPort, I bet.

Wireless is the future anyway...

Also of interest is Z600's built-in support for wireless I/O (video, USB, and sound) connections. The Z600's hardware establishes a UWB-based link with a Dell wireless docking station that contains a DVI out, two USB ports, and an audio out. The end result is that you can walk into a room, set your laptop down anywhere (perhaps on the inductive charging platform), and immediately begin using the laptop via a stationary monitor, mouse, and keyboard without plugging in a single cable. The whole wire-free setup is quite impressive to see in action, especially for someone who frequently juggles their MacBook Air between a stationary workstation (external monitor, mouse, and keyboard) and a recliner throughout the day.

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/20 … ess-it.ars

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#14 2009-09-29 12:36 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

avkills wrote:

Although who knows how they will implement it.  Maybe the GFX card will just have a LP port on the card and be fed back to the motherboard.
I still feel that monitors should be fed by special dedicated LP ports though.

Do you plug your computer directly into your modem, or is there a router involved?


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#15 2009-09-29 1:01 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

jerwin wrote:

avkills wrote:

Although who knows how they will implement it.  Maybe the GFX card will just have a LP port on the card and be fed back to the motherboard.
I still feel that monitors should be fed by special dedicated LP ports though.

Do you plug your computer directly into your modem, or is there a router involved?

confused


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#16 2009-09-29 1:14 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

mrreet2001 wrote:

jerwin wrote:

avkills wrote:

Although who knows how they will implement it.  Maybe the GFX card will just have a LP port on the card and be fed back to the motherboard.
I still feel that monitors should be fed by special dedicated LP ports though.

Do you plug your computer directly into your modem, or is there a router involved?

confused

I've got an iMac, and a DSL bridge/modem. Theoretically, i could connect the two directly, but instead, my imac connects to an Airport Extreme Router, which then connects to the bridge. LightPeak is the same way-- the video cards connect to the router, the router combines it with other packets, and everything is sent on its merry way along the fibre.


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#17 2009-09-29 1:19 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

Gotcha


I can't think of a good reason why the graphics card couldn't connect to the LP bus on the inside of the computer.

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#18 2009-09-29 2:52 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

Well if the graphics can take up to 6Gbps of the 10Gbps bandwidth, I am pretty sure I'd want my LP driven monitors on their own dedicated LP pipes.  shrug

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#19 2009-09-29 7:51 pm

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Re: Light Peak: An "Intel-Apple co-production", maybe

This Cnet article is pretty decent.


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