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bratboy wrote:

I don't think he was suggesting that Kaczynski is a right-wing 'anarchist'!

He said he was an anarchist in response to someone claiming he was a leftist, but except for those right wingers, anarchists are liberal.

Tallgeese wrote:

Why are anarchists liberal and libertarians are conservative?

They only work that way in the US. Everywhere else, libertarian and anarchist are synonyms.

bratboy wrote:

I thought the opposite of libertarian was authoritarian.

Yes, and anarchy is synonymous with anti-authority. But, it is also true, that with the exception of the US, anarchy as a sort of movement or cause has been promoted by two basic camps: socialists and free market randian types. In most countries "libertarian" means "socialism," except obviously in the US, where it means "less government, less free market regulation."

Found this on wiki

According to the anarchist historian Max Nettlau, the first use of the term libertarian communism was in November 1880, when a French anarchist congress employed it to more clearly identify its doctrines.[30] The French anarchist journalist Sébastien Faure, later founder and editor of the four-volume Anarchist Encyclopedia, started the weekly paper Le Libertaire (The Libertarian) in 1895.

Reflecting international use of the term "libertarian" by anarchists, Peter Kropotkin's 1909 The Great French Revolution noted that "the principles of anarchism" had "their origin" in the directly democratic sections of Paris." According to the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica article on anarchism, written by Peter Kropotkin, the economic and especially the mutual-banking ideas of Proudhon were applied by supporters the United States. The article states: "It would be impossible to represent here, in a short sketch, the penetration, on the one hand, of anarchist ideas into modern literature, and the influence, on the other hand, which the libertarian ideas of the best contemporary writers have exercised upon the development of anarchism." Writers he named included John Stuart Mill, Herbert Spencer, Jean-Marie Guyau, Alfred Jules Émile Fouillée, Multatuli, Richard Wagner, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ralph Waldo Emerson, William Lloyd Garrison, Henry David Thoreau and others.

Numerous left libertarians or libertarian socialists around the world have so described themselves over the last 100 years. Libertarian socialists, including Noam Chomsky and Colin Ward state that the term libertarianism is considered throughout the world as a synonym for anarchism but in the United States it means free market philosophies. Academics and proponents of the latter position, however, note that free market libertarians have been spreading their ideas around the world via think tanks and political parties since the 1970s, so that outside of the United States, libertarianism can be used to refer to the free market pro-property position.

Last edited by StaticAge (2009-09-29 1:30 pm)

But, I use 'alot' alot. On purpose. If that's what you want to say, say it.

The keybored has ben drinking. Alot.

Last edited by daemon (2009-09-29 9:37 pm)

Jokotai wrote:

Never end a phrase with a preposition while an English major is present.

Even without one present, there's not a valid excuse I can think of.

Surely this isn't "irresponsible":

In a column published yesterday, Newsmax's John L. Perry wrote that there is a "gaining" possibility that the military will stage a coup to "resolve the 'Obama problem.'"

Newsmax has apparently removed the column from its site. Links are now redirected to the homepage, and Perry's author page has no mention of his latest work. You can read the full text here.

The coup -- which would be "civilized" and "bloodless," according to Perry -- would consist of a "patriotic general" sitting down with the President and working out a new system in which "skilled, military-trained, nation-builders" would "do the serious business of governing and defending the nation" while Obama would still be allowed to make speeches.

Obama, he said, is inviting such a "family intervention."

   

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable?" Perry asked. "Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don't shrug and say, 'We can always worry about that later.'"

Perry also wrote that "Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it."

A call to Newsmax for comment was not immediately returned.

Late update: A spokeswoman for Newsmax sent a statement to TPM admitting that the magazine removed the column after several reader complaints. She also identified Perry as an "unpaid blogger."

    Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions.

Late late update: Looking into his long history with Newsmax, it seems that Perry is more than an "unpaid blogger."

Link.

More "bad taste," this time from a fund-raising letter sent by RNC chairman Steele:

This video just came to my attention. I'm so outraged and stunned by its content that I had to share it with you.

Watch the video now and see the indoctrination of our nation's greatest treasure -- our children.

In the video, impressionable youngsters at a public school in New Jersey, most of whom are no more than six or seven years old, have been instructed to sing the praises of "Barack Hussein Obama." One song is even set to the tune of The Battle Hymn of the Republic.

This is the type of propaganda you would see in Stalin's Russia or Kim Jong Il's North Korea. I never thought the day would come when I'd see it here in America.

This is the type of fanaticism Republicans are up against as we fight to stop the Obama Democrats' radical leftist transformation of America.

That's pretty smurfing outrageous. 

Link.

bratboy wrote:

More "bad taste," this time from a fund-raising letter sent by RNC chairman Steele:

This video just came to my attention. I'm so outraged and stunned by its content that I had to share it with you.

Watch the video now and see the indoctrination of our nation's greatest treasure -- our children.

In the video, impressionable youngsters at a public school in New Jersey, most of whom are no more than six or seven years old, have been instructed to sing the praises of "Barack Hussein Obama." One song is even set to the tune of The Battle Hymn of the Republic.

This is the type of propaganda you would see in Stalin's Russia or Kim Jong Il's North Korea. I never thought the day would come when I'd see it here in America.

This is the type of fanaticism Republicans are up against as we fight to stop the Obama Democrats' radical leftist transformation of America.

That's pretty smurfing outrageous. 

Link.

We print smurf like that all the time for a client at the print shop I work for. We in pre-press always get a kick out of reading excerpts to each other.

The message is smurf, and coincidentally, their pieces look like smurf (their designers suck balls at setting files up.)

Authorities declare census worker's death to be a suicide:

http://www.kentucky.com/latest_news/story/1032979.html

WEHT bratboy?

That does seem unreasonable for those quotes to be removed, pastor macman, and there's decent odds I had a quote in there.

I, for one, immediately jumped to the worst conclusion.  However I think I offered a number of reasons why it was possible.