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#1 2009-10-08 3:12 pm

radarman
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Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bus … 57947.html

BANGKOK — There are plenty of needy countries at the U.N. climate talks in Bangkok that make the case they need financial assistance to adapt to the impacts of global warming. Then there are the Saudis.

Saudi Arabia has led a quiet campaign during these and other negotiations — demanding behind closed doors that oil-producing nations get special financial assistance if a new climate pact calls for substantial reductions in the use of fossil fuels.

That campaign comes despite an International Energy Agency report released this week showing that OPEC revenues would still increase $23 trillion between 2008 and 2030 — a fourfold increase compared to the period from 1985 to 2007 — if countries agree to significantly slash emissions and thereby cut their use of oil. That is the limit most countries agree is needed to avoid the worst impacts of climate change.

The head of the Saudi delegation Mohammad S. Al Sabban dismissed the IEA figures as “biased” and said OPEC's own calculations showed that Saudi Arabia would lose $19 billion a year starting in 2012 under a new climate pact. The region would lose much more, he said.

“We are among the economically vulnerable countries,” Al Sabban told The Associated Press on the sidelines of the talks ahead of negotiations in Copenhagen in December for a treaty to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

“This is very serious for us,” he continued. “We are in the process of diversifying our economy but this will take a long time. We don't have too many resources.”

Saudi Arabia, which sits atop the world's largest proven oil reserves, is seeing economic growth slide because of fallout from the global meltdown, but experts still expect the country, flush with cash from oil's earlier price spike last year, to be better able than other nations to cope with the current crisis.

Al Sabban accused Western nations of pursuing an agenda against oil producers, under the guise of protecting the planet.

“Many politicians in the Western world think these climate change negotiations and the new agreement will provide them with a golden opportunity to reduce their dependence on imported oil,” Al Sabban said. “That means you will transfer the burden to developing countries, especially to those highly dependent on the exploitation of oil.”

You have got to be kidding me. These guys have so much money, they can't build stupid crap fast enough - and they are going to be asking for international aid?

Here's an idea, how about turning today's oil revenue into a) reserves, or b) investments in alternate industries?

Jeez, apparently the US and Europe have successfully exported the entitlement attitude to the rest of the world.

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#2 2009-10-08 3:35 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

It's an old story. Country flush with cash from a single resource fails to plan for future by investing in economic alternatives, ends up totally smurfed when resource wealth dries up. Or threatens to.


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#3 2009-10-08 5:08 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's an old story. Country flush with cash from a single resource fails to plan for future by investing in economic alternatives, ends up totally smurfed when resource wealth dries up. Or threatens to.

But they did invest in tourism. They made all those tiny islands that make up the earth and the palm tree, and don't forget the indoor ski dome thing.


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#4 2009-10-08 5:14 pm

radarman
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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

Aaron_R wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's an old story. Country flush with cash from a single resource fails to plan for future by investing in economic alternatives, ends up totally smurfed when resource wealth dries up. Or threatens to.

But they did invest in tourism. They made all those tiny islands that make up the earth and the palm tree, and don't forget the indoor ski dome thing.

That's the UAE, not Saudi Arabia.

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#5 2009-10-08 5:29 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

Saudi is the land of desert and strict adherence to the morality police.


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#6 2009-10-08 5:36 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's an old story. Country flush with cash from a single resource fails to plan for future by investing in economic alternatives, ends up totally smurfed when resource wealth dries up. Or threatens to.

Couldnt happen to a nicer place.


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#7 2009-10-08 6:38 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

Pariah wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's an old story. Country flush with cash from a single resource fails to plan for future by investing in economic alternatives, ends up totally smurfed when resource wealth dries up. Or threatens to.

Couldnt happen to a nicer place.

Can you say "Afghanistan with office towers?"


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#8 2009-10-08 6:52 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Pariah wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's an old story. Country flush with cash from a single resource fails to plan for future by investing in economic alternatives, ends up totally smurfed when resource wealth dries up. Or threatens to.

Couldnt happen to a nicer place.

Can you say "Afghanistan with office towers?"

*bombs away instantly*


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#9 2009-10-08 6:53 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

radarman wrote:

Aaron_R wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's an old story. Country flush with cash from a single resource fails to plan for future by investing in economic alternatives, ends up totally smurfed when resource wealth dries up. Or threatens to.

But they did invest in tourism. They made all those tiny islands that make up the earth and the palm tree, and don't forget the indoor ski dome thing.

That's the UAE, not Saudi Arabia.

Specifically, Dubai. Which isn't doing too well.


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#10 2009-10-08 7:40 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

It's an old story. Country flush with cash from a single resource fails to plan for future by investing in economic alternatives, ends up totally smurfed when resource wealth dries up. Or threatens to.

Or get bombed when they try, Iran eek

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#11 2009-10-08 9:52 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

jerwin wrote:

radarman wrote:

Aaron_R wrote:


But they did invest in tourism. They made all those tiny islands that make up the earth and the palm tree, and don't forget the indoor ski dome thing.

That's the UAE, not Saudi Arabia.

Specifically, Dubai. Which isn't doing too well.

What happens when entire countries are "luxury goods"...


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#12 2009-10-08 9:54 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

They build hotels with a special platform that can double as a helicopter landing pad and a tennis court.


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#13 2009-10-08 9:55 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

I meant, what happens to them in a recession.


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#14 2009-10-08 10:27 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

Jokotai wrote:

They build hotels with a special platform that can double as a helicopter landing pad and a tennis court.

If they weren't so damn thrifty, they could have both. But no...

I'd be highly annoyed if my helicopter ran out of fuel while waiting for someone to finish their match.


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#15 2009-10-08 10:49 pm

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

jerwin wrote:

I'd be highly annoyed if my helicopter ran out of fuel while waiting for someone to finish their match.

You may be equally as annoyed if your tennis match was interrupted by a helicopter.  Plus, there's all of the tennis balls that get lost over the edge.  There's a famous picture of Federer and Agassi looking over the edge, assumably arguing over who's going to go get it this time.


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#16 2009-10-09 12:59 am

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Re: Saudi Arabia to ask for international aid if demand for oil drops?

They were actually trying to hit a boat in the water with a tennis ball.

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