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#1 2009-10-08 8:23 pm

Denali
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A baby question

Hi all.  I've been taking a break from the net due to the newest addition to our family  He was born on August 30th and weighed in at just 5 pounds 10 oz.  He was born 5 weeks early but is doing great.  Yes he keeps us up at night, but he is starting to get to the point where he is awake and NOT crying.

Anyway on to the question.  I have been having difficulty breast feeding.  I was told it's due to the face he is a premie so we are having to move to formula.  We bought 2 different kinds and I just got around to looking at the contents of it tonight.  Both have "high frucutos corn syrup solids" listed first.  The second is "sugar"  like you need more sugar.  Is there a reason formula has so much sugar in it?  Is there a formula that does not have that much sugar and no HFCS at all.  I want to do what is best for baby unfortunately I can't or won't be able to continue breast feeding much longer so I need a good formula that isn't packed full of sugar.

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#2 2009-10-08 8:57 pm

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Re: A baby question

Denali wrote:

Hi all.  I've been taking a break from the net due to the newest addition to our family  He was born on August 30th and weighed in at just 5 pounds 10 oz.  He was born 5 weeks early but is doing great.  Yes he keeps us up at night, but he is starting to get to the point where he is awake and NOT crying.

Anyway on to the question.  I have been having difficulty breast feeding.  I was told it's due to the face he is a premie so we are having to move to formula.  We bought 2 different kinds and I just got around to looking at the contents of it tonight.  Both have "high frucutos corn syrup solids" listed first.  The second is "sugar"  like you need more sugar.  Is there a reason formula has so much sugar in it?  Is there a formula that does not have that much sugar and no HFCS at all.  I want to do what is best for baby unfortunately I can't or won't be able to continue breast feeding much longer so I need a good formula that isn't packed full of sugar.

Thanks

First, congrats on the new baby. smile

Babies don't have well developed digestive systems at this age, as I'm sure you've been able to ascertain already. They burn sugar almost as fast as they take it in, and if anything, need to build up a certain amount of fat. All milk-based formula has a lot of sugars in it, and it's important during early development. If they get sick at all, they will burn through what little fat they have quickly. Even if they don't get sick, believe me, they will use it.

I would worry more about finding a formula that won't upset your baby's stomach. Cow milk based formula is different enough from breast milk that it can cause stomach upset, especially if your baby is lactose intolerant. We went through several before ending up on the one we are using now. We were very close to going to a specialty formula, but our daughter finally stopped having problems on the current formula. Right now, she's on Enfamil "Gentlease"

As a preemie, don't be surprised if he has acid reflux. We only recently took our daughter off of acid reducers. Technically, she wasn't a preemie, but she was small at birth and went home in a preemie size onesie. We could tell she was having problems, because she would make faces a few hours after taking a bottle - and you could smell it on her breath. Thankfully, she has outgrown most of that, and is fine now.

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#3 2009-10-08 9:01 pm

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Re: A baby question

why not pump your milk and feed it to him through a bottle?


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#4 2009-10-08 9:27 pm

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Re: A baby question

Chickenhawk wrote:

why not pump your milk and feed it to him through a bottle?

Because... well, I'll let her explain it if she wants.  That can be sensitive info (been there for my wife).

Denali:

First, let me add my congratulations!

The sugar content is supposed to mimic lactose carbs (milk sugar) that's abundant in natural milk, and you cannot use cow's milk in the first year without causing serious risks of food allergies.   You aren't going to find anything that's completely sugar free, because while it's a bad word to most of us, it is a nutrititional necessity.

If you're concerned about high fructose corn syrup, look for organic formulas such as Earth's Best and Similac Organic.  They still have loads of sugar, but they're meant to.

radarman is right about being concerned about the baby being able to take the formula.  We started out using Infamil, but had to switch to Similac because of digestive problems.  We took our daughter off of the expensive formula with all of the immunity support after three months and started going with cheaper store-bought brands, but those first three months were absolutely crucial.


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#5 2009-10-08 10:28 pm

Denali
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Re: A baby question

I have been pumping, but getting such small amounts of milk that it is not even enough for 1 feeding.  I still try to breast feed before every feeding hoping that one day he will just get the hang of it, but I fear that his stay in NICU and the bottle has ruined him.

Ok so sugar isn't a bad thing at this age, but HFCS I fear is.  I will look into organic based formulas and see what else is out there.  We just tried the Similac  andnow have Infamil and will compare the 2 to see which works best.  We also got a free sample of soy formula and will try that next to see if maybe a non milk based formula will work. 

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#6 2009-10-09 8:48 am

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Re: A baby question

Congrats on the new baby.

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#7 2009-10-09 9:05 am

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Re: A baby question

Babies take in a lot of sugar and a lot of fat.
I was pretty amazed to see the amount of fat that a healthy baby can consume. Good for brain development and growth.


All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me.

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#8 2009-10-09 9:37 am

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Re: A baby question

Denali wrote:

Ok so sugar isn't a bad thing at this age, but HFCS I fear is.

I don't know much about babies, but I know acting out of fear is usually bad. Have you consulted a pediatrician?

This is the kind of thing I would usually call my doctors' office about. I'm no hypochondriac, but every few months I'll have a question. So I call & leave a message, and get a return call in a couple of days. shrug

It would take less time than reading this thread. big_smile


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#9 2009-10-09 10:48 am

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Re: A baby question

dv wrote:

Denali wrote:

Ok so sugar isn't a bad thing at this age, but HFCS I fear is.

I don't know much about babies, but I know acting out of fear is usually bad. Have you consulted a pediatrician?

This is the kind of thing I would usually call my doctors' office about. I'm no hypochondriac, but every few months I'll have a question. So I call & leave a message, and get a return call in a couple of days. shrug

It would take less time than reading this thread. big_smile

I tend to agree but this brand seems to be corn syrup free and thus an option to consider and check with them about.

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#10 2009-10-09 2:53 pm

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Re: A baby question

Chickenhawk wrote:

why not pump your milk and feed it to him through a bottle?

I'm not a mom, I'm a dad - but I can tell you that my wife had a horrible time trying that. She lasted for about a month before giving up. She would run the thing for hours, hurt like hell, and end up with maybe an ounce or two. Our daughter would have starved if we hadn't supplemented, and finally switched to, formula.

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#11 2009-10-09 3:24 pm

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Re: A baby question

First: Congratulations! Glad to hear that you and your baby are doing fine.

Second: some basic chemistry. Sucrose AKA table sugar is a disaccharide which is composed of a fructose molecule attached to a glucose molecule. When digested one of the first things that happens is that sucrose is split into the separate fructose and glucose molecules.

Pure corn syrup is 100% glucose. High fructose corn syrup (HFCS) has had some of its glucose converted into fructose, usually 42% fructose for soft drinks or 55% fructose for cooking. Note that the "high" is relative to pure corn syrup which has virtually no fructose. Except for fact that table sugar requires the initlal breakdown into its component sugars, it is chemically equivalent to 50% HFCS.

Lactose or milk sugar is composed of glucose and galactose fragments. To break it down into its component sugars for further digestion, people need to produce the enzyme lactase. Lactase is usually adequately produced by nearly all infant mammals. Later in life some people do not drink milk regularly and thus eventually lose the ability to produce (enough) lastase and thus become unable to digest lactose. While there are some exceptions, most likely your baby is not one and can digest lactose without any problems, though check with your doctor to be sure.

Third: ABSOLUTELY do NOT use honey as a sweetening substitute for your baby! His digestive system cannot handle the botulism spores that can be found in some honey, something that older children and adults with more developed immune systems can easily process. The recommendation is that you should not give him honey until your child is at least 1 year old.


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#12 2009-10-09 4:24 pm

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Re: A baby question

I dont know nothin about birthin no babies, but congrats!


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#13 2009-10-09 4:52 pm

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Re: A baby question

My ex was unable to nurse, just no milk, happens sometime.
We used a formula recommended by our Dr, it was an off the shelf commercial brand, can't remember after 17 years.
I would suggest it would be better to talk to your doctor and for Gods sake stay the hell away from La Leche.


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#14 2009-10-10 8:05 pm

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Re: A baby question

Congrats on the new baby!  smile

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#15 2009-10-10 9:41 pm

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Re: A baby question

Congrats!!!

Sorry to hear that nursing isn't going well for you.  Even if you do have to supplement with formula, that doesn't mean you have to give up nursing and pumping completely.  It can be hard work, but so worth it in the end.  It DOES get easier with time.  Have you met with a lactation consultant?  Is there a La Leche League group in your area?  Your doctor can also give you a prescription to help up your milk production.

No matter what happens, congrats and best wishes. smile

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#16 2009-10-10 10:19 pm

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Re: A baby question

Pariah wrote:

My ex was unable to nurse, just no milk, happens sometime.
We used a formula recommended by our Dr, it was an off the shelf commercial brand, can't remember after 17 years.
I would suggest it would be better to talk to your doctor and for Gods sake stay the hell away from La Leche.

I'm sorry that your ex had such a problem with LLL.  I promise you, though, that one experience isn't enough to judge the entire society.  They are some pretty caring folks, IMHO.


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#17 2009-10-11 1:07 am

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Re: A baby question

Jokotai wrote:

Pariah wrote:

My ex was unable to nurse, just no milk, happens sometime.
We used a formula recommended by our Dr, it was an off the shelf commercial brand, can't remember after 17 years.
I would suggest it would be better to talk to your doctor and for Gods sake stay the hell away from La Leche.

I'm sorry that your ex had such a problem with LLL.  I promise you, though, that one experience isn't enough to judge the entire society.  They are some pretty caring folks, IMHO.

Agreed. There are some that are a bit more than over zealous, but by and large their membership can be damned helpful.


All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me.

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#18 2009-10-11 7:22 am

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Re: A baby question

The impression we got from La Leche was that they are a bunch of nursing fanatics and are worse than useless if a woman simply cannot nurse.
Guilt and some very questionable opinions about formula are all we got out of them. Cult like zeal.


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#19 2009-10-11 9:59 am

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Re: A baby question

Each and every chapter of LLL is different.  The one in my area isn't very helpful for working professionals.  It's always worth checking out, and if it's not a good fit, no harm done.

www.kellymom.com is a great online resource, if you haven't discovered it already.

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/preemie/index.html

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/index.html

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/maint … -pump.html

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/pumping/pump … rease.html

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#20 2009-10-12 2:43 am

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Re: A baby question

Pariah wrote:

The impression we got from La Leche was that they are a bunch of nursing fanatics and are worse than useless if a woman simply cannot nurse.
Guilt and some very questionable opinions about formula are all we got out of them. Cult like zeal.

My wife couldn't nurse, not well at all, despite seeing the best person LLL had to offer.  However, LLL did give us the course that wound up doing us a ton of good.  There was a problem with our daughter's soft pallet, and while our pediatrician was of the opinion that nothing at all should be done about it, LLL helped us get him to make a recommendation to a craniosacral therapist, who managed to fix several problems at once (there was also an issue with feeding anxiety that she managed to sort out).  I'm sure that many people will testify that craniosacral therapy is a bunch of foolishness, but it worked for us.  If it weren't for LLL, we wouldn't have found it, either.


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