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ShnickyShnack · 2009-10-14 4:32 pm

Conservatives aim to delete "liberal" parts from the Holy Bible

1. Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias

2. Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level

4. Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".

5. Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census

6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.

7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning

8. Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story

9. Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels

10. Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."

What interesting times we live in.

mo' ron · 2009-10-14 4:36 pm

:yawn:

radarman · 2009-10-14 4:37 pm

ShnickyShnack wrote:
Conservatives aim to delete "liberal" parts from the Holy Bible

1. Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias

2. Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level

4. Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".

5. Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census

6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.

7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning

8. Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story

9. Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels

10. Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."
What interesting times we live in.

Conservatives might want to consider the implications of the last chapter of Revelations. Of course, perhaps they feel that book is conservative enough already...

18 - I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 - And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. Revelations 22:18,19

DevoDoc · 2009-10-14 4:57 pm

INERRANT WORD OF GOD

Pariah · 2009-10-14 4:58 pm

The American Taliban continues to develop and evolve.

JakeTheTall · 2009-10-14 5:18 pm

Because the Catholic Church isn't authoritarian enough. Or focused enough on indoctrination.

robco · 2009-10-14 5:44 pm

They should just do what the GDMs did and invent a couple new books.

DevoDoc · 2009-10-14 6:03 pm

What do you suppose the will do with 2 Peter 2?

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

Tallgeese · 2009-10-14 6:07 pm

Didn't we have this in a thread just last week?

Tallgeese · 2009-10-14 6:10 pm

Yup, here it is.

Tallgeese wrote:
I cannot see this gaining traction with conservative Christians either, since it is based on no scholarship and intends to edit out things that make Andrew uncomfortable, like "Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story"

bedstuy · 2009-10-14 7:03 pm

Yeah, I was sure we'd discussed this already. /shnickyfail

MysticCow · 2009-10-14 8:16 pm

Let them have their myth...

Jokotai · 2009-10-14 8:21 pm

Wasn't Reaganomics enough?

sturner · 2009-10-14 8:34 pm

so the very conservative KJV is too LIBERAL?

eek

robco · 2009-10-14 8:48 pm

Well, it does tell people to sell their earthly possessions and give the money to the poor, not to store up treasures on heaven and such. Hell, JC's only recorded outburst was against moneylenders at the temple. These are not strong conservative values...

Tallgeese · 2009-10-14 8:49 pm

Clearly those parts were forgeries added by liberals later.

Bren · 2009-10-14 9:50 pm

radarman wrote:
Conservatives might want to consider the implications of the last chapter of Revelations.

Forgive me for nitpicking, but that's Revelation, singular. Common mistake. Better you should hear it from me than from some preacher in whose daughter's pants you're trying to get.

jerwin · 2009-10-14 9:51 pm

3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level

In the beginning was Truth, and the Truth was with God, and the Truth was God.
All this was in the beginning, with God. All things were made by Him; no thing was made without Him.
He was the source of life, which is the light of men.
In the darkness shined the light, and the darkness could not snuff it out.
There was a man sent by God, whose name was John.
He came as a witness, to bear witness to the Light, so that all men might believe because of him.
John was not the Light, but a messenger of the Light.
That was the true Light, which animates every man who comes into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, but the world did not recognize Him.
He came among his own, but his own accepted him not.
But many did accept him, and to them he gave power to be the sons of God, even to those who believed in him.

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readability grades:
        Kincaid: 3.6
        ARI: 3.2
        Coleman-Liau: 6.0
        Flesch Index: 94.9
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Perhaps they should hire a Chinese grad student to help beef up the grade level.

Tallgeese · 2009-10-14 9:58 pm

So has anyone actually gone to the Conservapedia page on this? There is great humor to be found.

jerwin · 2009-10-14 10:40 pm

I just quoted from their version of John, so yeah. I did. Perhaps their talk pages are full of FAIL

Bren · 2009-10-14 10:52 pm

3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level

Jesus's teachings were supposed to be as accessible as they could be, to the widest possible range of people. Perhaps these jokers would like to return to pre-Shakespearian times, when the majority of believers could not read and had to rely on church officials to tell them what the Bible said.

jkahless · 2009-10-14 11:02 pm

Bren wrote:
3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level
Jesus's teachings were supposed to be as accessible as they could be, to the widest possible range of people. Perhaps these jokers would like to return to pre-Shakespearian times, when the majority of believers could not read and had to rely on church officials to tell them what the Bible said.

Indeed, the whole idea of The Bible being in the vernacular is accessibility of it's message. Though the type of people that would try to do this likely are uncomprehending on that message in general.

Tallgeese · 2009-10-14 11:05 pm

jerwin wrote:
I just quoted from their version of John, so yeah. I did. Perhaps their talk pages are full of FAIL

Someone got wikipurged for asking how to properly translate [Hebrew passage].

jerwin · 2009-10-14 11:54 pm

Bren wrote:
3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level
Jesus's teachings were supposed to be as accessible as they could be, to the widest possible range of people. Perhaps these jokers would like to return to pre-Shakespearian times, when the majority of believers could not read and had to rely on church officials to tell them what the Bible said.

The problem was not so much that people couldn't read, but that the bible was not in the vernacular.
Here's the same passage, from the Scholar's version. It has a definite voice. An authentic voice? I couldn't tell you.

In the beginning, there was the divine word and wisdom. The divine word and wisdom was there with god,and it was what god was.
It was there with god from the beginning. Everything came to be by means of it; nothing that exists came to be without its agency. In it was life, and in this life was the light of humanity. Light was shining in the darkness and darkness did not master it.
There appeared a man sent from God named John. He came to testify--to testify to the light-- so everyone would believe through him. He was not the light; he came only to attest to the light.
Genuine light--the kind that provides light for everyone was coming into the world. Although it was in the world, and the world came about through its agency, the world did not recognize it. It came to its own place, but its own people were not receptive to it. But to all who did embrace it, to those who believed in it, it gave the right to be children of god.

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        ARI: 4.3
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        Flesch Index: 88.5
        Fog Index: 7.6
        Lix: 27.7 = below school year 5
        SMOG-Grading: 7.6
sentence info:
        728 characters
        183 words, average length 3.98 characters = 1.23 syllables
        13 sentences, average length 14.1 words
        23% (3) short sentences (at most 9 words)
        0% (0) long sentences (at least 24 words)
        1 paragraphs, average length 13.0 sentences
        0% (0) questions
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word usage:
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sentence beginnings:
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Tallgeese · 2009-10-15 12:17 am

There is nothing wrong and everything right with translating logos as word. When examining the symbolism, the meaning, the Platonic idea, and the mythopoeic power of "the word" it makes 100% sense and should not be any other way. The opening of John's gospel is certainly a place where if people don't "get it", it should not be altered but instead their knowledge should be raised to where they do "get it".

jerwin wrote:
Bren wrote:
3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level
Jesus's teachings were supposed to be as accessible as they could be, to the widest possible range of people. Perhaps these jokers would like to return to pre-Shakespearian times, when the majority of believers could not read and had to rely on church officials to tell them what the Bible said.
The problem was not so much that people couldn't read

Yeah actually it was.

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