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#1 2009-10-21 11:06 pm

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Thinking about building a HTPC

I was thinking about building a HTPC versus buying one of the new Mac minis.

I'm looking for comments on my hardware selection.

Here's what I was putting together.

Antec NSK2480 MicroATX Case w/ 380watt PS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6811129034
ASUS P5N7A-VM NVIDIA GeForce 9300 series motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6813131348
Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz - Wolfdale
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115037
4GB (2x@GB) Crucial 800mhz DDR2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820148160
LITE-ON Blu-ray reader/DVD&CD burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6827106292
750GB Seagate hard drive
(The hard drive I have laying around here somewhere unused.)

I chose the Antec case because it has a very clean layout and I have always had good luck with Antec and their power supplies

The motherboard was chosen after reading up on it at NVIDIA's website and from a couple of reviews. It has integrated DP, HDMI, and DVI along with a plethora of other ports such as 6 USB, eSATA, Gigabit NIC, etc. The integrated video processing is perfect for a HTPC as it bridges the audio into the HDMI port and processes video with minimal CPU load.

The CPU is Intel because I am an Intel snob. There. I said it. Going Intel was the best thing that Apple could ever have done IMHO.

I love Crucial (Micron) memory and have never encountered any problems with using their lifetime warranty. There has been only one time I had to rely on it and that was when I sold a G4 PowerMac many moons ago. The guy who bought it had a failure on one of the RAM sticks when he received it. I told him to call Crucial and they swapped it out right away for him even without him being the one who bought it or having a receipt for it. Crucial rocks.

The LITE-ON drive was chosen because they are a reputable brand and make decent hardware for reasonable prices. If you know of a better drive for the same price or less please let me know.

I think that these components will make a nice HTPC overall. I'm looking for comments on how I might improve my choices or for experiences that would make me change my mind from buying this setup.

The total for everything is roughly $600 including shipping.

The Mac mini is about $1000 for less power, less hard drive room, and no Blu-ray support.

I'm not opposed to the mini but the price is making me think twice.

Any comments or suggestions?


"Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt." - Steve Jobs

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#2 2009-10-21 11:33 pm

Jokotai
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From: Spartanburg SC
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Re: Thinking about building a HTPC

That Mini price point you've quoted is for Snow Leopard Server, where there is no optical drive.  I'm also a big proponent of buying the minimum and doing a bit of DYI upgrading.  That lands you much closer to that $600 price point, with OEM licensed OS and AppleCare.

If you build this one, keep a close eye on the temps.  You may want to think about a Volcano processor fan to augment cooling if it becomes an issue.

No offense, but that case isn't exactly a work of art.  It also looks like a cabling nightmare.  This looks nicer, IMHO.


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#3 2009-10-22 12:14 am

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Re: Thinking about building a HTPC

I looked at that case you linked to and the first two reviews are bad.

One person said that the front of the case isn't grounded and he had ruined three motherboards before realizing this.

The second person said that the risers on the motherboard tray are fixed and that the very same motherboard I'm wanting to buy doesn't have the same pattern as the risers and so it won't attach properly.

I like the case otherwise, thanks for pointing it out. I just don't like the reviews.

As far as the price of the mini goes, if you upgrade the drive to 500GB on the 2.53ghz model, buy a wireless mouse and keyboard, and get AppleCare, the price with academic discount is $1076 before taxes. To do any less would not be comparing them favorably for the Mac as the PC would be more than 500MHz faster and would have double the hard drive space.

Even if you subtract the AppleCare, keyboard, and mouse you are looking at $839 before taxes.

Sure, its a Mac and I love the little guy but I'm not sure I want to pay the price premium to still have so little in the way of features.

I'm talking no Blu-ray, slower processor, smaller hard drive, slower hard drive, no HDMI with audio, no eSATA, and a more difficult to upgrade/work on case.

On the other hand you do get Bluetooth, 802.11b/g/n, and a tiny form factor.

But those just don't outweight the minuses in my opinion.

I still haven't totally made up my mind yet but I'm leaning towards the PC very heavily.


"Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt." - Steve Jobs

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#4 2009-10-22 1:28 am

Jokotai
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Re: Thinking about building a HTPC

And you're still not getting a BT mouse, keyboard, AppleCare, etc. on your other quote.

Thinking about it, though, the Mini looks great on a desktop but I'm not sure how good it would look on an entertainment center.  A decent Linux distro hardlined for Boxee as a media control system would rock, though.

I still don't like the case tongue


There's what you love to do, and then there's what you get paid to do.  Those two things are often different.

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#5 2009-10-22 2:05 am

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Re: Thinking about building a HTPC

IMO:

Save at least $100 by going AMD, probably closer to $150, and drop in a Radeon 4650 or similar for better video playback. (Even the 9300/9400, which is pretty much the best out there right now, is still beat soundly by a current-generation GPU, even for seemingly simple things like video playback (much of which gets offloaded to the GPU now.)

This advertisement peice raises some good points, with the obvious caveat that it was written by AMD to sell Radeons. You'd presumably get similar benefits from going with a GT220, if you're an nVidia fan, and I'm of the understanding that if you're using the GPU for Folding@Home, the GeForce is quite a bit more capable. (Although the people making that claim were comparing higher-end video cards: I think the Geforce 9800 and a Radeon 4870. So the difference may be less pronounced with the lower-end hardware.)

In any case, budget a little extra for a quieter aftermarket CPU cooler and make sure you get a passively cooled video card if you decide to go that route.


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