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#1 2009-10-28 1:50 am
Democracy in Action - Moveon.org
Democracy in Action - that's their homepage title.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10 … ic-option/
Moveon.org issued a warning Tuesday to any Democrat who might join Republicans to filibuster a government-run insurance option -- if you oppose the government option you will lose support from the organization's 5 million members
Yeah.
Threatening politicians with loss of money.
Is that "Democracy in Action", or are they using their membership for bribery?
Doesn't really matter, at this point they are a has been - no one cares about them anymore.
But it's still funny.
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#2 2009-10-28 2:05 am
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Re: Democracy in Action - Moveon.org
Please do not post links unless they come from an officially White House sanctioned news source. 
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#3 2009-10-28 3:23 am
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Re: Democracy in Action - Moveon.org
Sometimes those subliminababobble messages Fox runs have their effect. 
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#4 2009-10-28 7:14 am
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Isn't that the entire purpose of advocacy groups? They exist to support people who advocate their cause. I am pretty sure they don't exist to hand out money to whoever wants it.
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#5 2009-10-28 7:37 am
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Yes, res, that's "democracy in action." Apparently, they feel very strongly about the importance of universal health care.
I fail to see the problem. But perhaps you can explain this, in your own words?
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#6 2009-10-28 7:53 am
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They're probably counting the tons of kids that signed up for the free Obama bumper stickers and then completely ignored the Website in that 5 million member estimate
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#7 2009-10-28 7:55 am
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Alien wrote:
Yes, res, that's "democracy in action." Apparently, they feel very strongly about the importance of universal health care.
I fail to see the problem. But perhaps you can explain this, in your own words?
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#9 2009-10-28 1:15 pm
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Alien wrote:
Yes, res, that's "democracy in action." Apparently, they feel very strongly about the importance of universal health care.
I fail to see the problem. But perhaps you can explain this, in your own words?
.tsooJ
Sure.
First of all, single issue support shows a lack of intelligence.
When deciding who you will or will not support, deciding it solely based upon whether they supported a public option or not is rather lame. It would be like me refusing to support anyone who isn't pro-life.
There are far too many important issues to be so single issue minded.
Secondly, this isn't democracy. This is strong arming.
Screw what your constituents who you are actually suppose to serve say, you do it our way and you get money and volunteers from us. Otherwise smurf off.
That's not democracy. Not in the slightest.
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#10 2009-10-28 1:18 pm
Re: Democracy in Action - Moveon.org
In case that was too many words for you to understand - purchased votes are not democracy.
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#11 2009-10-28 1:21 pm
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It's no different from many conservative or Republican groups. What's the beef?
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#12 2009-10-28 1:22 pm
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Except in most cases their constituents support the public option. They're either holding up to get some attention (pork) on another issue, or they're in the pocket of the insurance industry. If you're so keen on democracy, realize that most of your fellow citizens support a public insurance option.
There are certain key issues that define a party. If party members cannot be counted on to support the party platform reliably, then the validity of their party membership is questionable. Health care reform was a huge plank in the Democratic platform, if you don't support it, you're probably a DINO. There are too many "conservative Democrats" who only ran as Democrats because they were either too smurf to challenge the GOP incumbent in a primary or too smurf to run as an independent. So they agreed to moderate their views and ran as Democrats. Specter is a great example...
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#13 2009-10-28 1:27 pm
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Re: Democracy in Action - Moveon.org
resedit wrote:
It would be like me refusing to support anyone who isn't pro-life.
There are far too many important issues to be so single issue minded.
Do you have any idea how many people are single-issue voters, specifically regarding abortion?
It seems to me that you're mad about this because MoveOn usually supports Democrats.
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#14 2009-10-28 1:37 pm
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I really don't see your point.
Why is withholding campaign contributions on single issues worse than giving contributions in relation to single issues (which happens ALL the time)?
One of the more off-kilter rants I've seen in some time. Makes no sense.
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#15 2009-10-28 1:42 pm
Re: Democracy in Action - Moveon.org
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I really don't see your point.
Why is withholding campaign contributions on single issues worse than giving contributions in relation to single issues (which happens ALL the time)?
One of the more off-kilter rants I've seen in some time. Makes no sense.
Did I say it was worse?
Happens all the time doesn't change the fact that it isn't "Democracy".
If you read my first post, I don't really have beef with them - after Bush was re-elected, they pretty much became insignificant.
I found it funny. As my first post clearly states.
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#16 2009-10-28 1:47 pm
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resedit wrote:
In case that was too many words for you to understand - purchased votes are not democracy.
You realize, of course, that campaign contributions from defense, health care, insurance, energy corporations, amongst others, have always kept the wheels of democracy greased. Why do you think that ENRON was one of George W. Bush's biggest campaign contributors? It was certainly a good investment on their part.
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#17 2009-10-28 2:07 pm
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#18 2009-10-28 2:46 pm
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Sounds like a conservative calling for campaign finance reform.
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#19 2009-10-28 5:30 pm
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Serioiusly, resedit: are you drunk or high on something? Is Move On doing anything different from what any number of groups of all political stripes have done before?
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#20 2009-10-28 5:39 pm
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Hey, they're representing people, that's a hell of a lot closer to democracy than the insurance companies spending hundreds of millions of dollars on the very same issue.
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#21 2009-10-28 5:40 pm
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D'Eyncourt wrote:
Serioiusly, resedit: are you drunk or high on something? Is Move On doing anything different from what any number of groups of all political stripes have done before?
Or he forgot ACORN is the new evil organization. Which replaced moveon.org which replaced Air America.
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#22 2009-10-28 7:03 pm
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WHY DO REPUBLICANS REFUSE TO FUND COMMUNIST CANDIDATES?
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#23 2009-10-28 7:38 pm
Re: Democracy in Action - Moveon.org
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WHY DO REPUBLICANS REFUSE TO FUND COMMUNIST CANDIDATES?
You can figure that out.
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#24 2009-10-28 8:08 pm
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Because Republicans like to strong-arm candidates?
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#25 2009-10-29 1:30 am
Re: Democracy in Action - Moveon.org
resedit wrote:
Democracy in Action - that's their homepage title.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10 … ic-option/Moveon.org issued a warning Tuesday to any Democrat who might join Republicans to filibuster a government-run insurance option -- if you oppose the government option you will lose support from the organization's 5 million members
Yeah.
Threatening politicians with loss of money.
Is that "Democracy in Action", or are they using their membership for bribery?
Doesn't really matter, at this point they are a has been - no one cares about them anymore.
But it's still funny.
#1) Fox Noise fail.
#2) It's not funny; your definition of humor needs work. At least you didn't call it ironic, I suppose.
#3) MoveOn is not a has-been. It's a potent PAC of which I am a member. It is also a real grassroots organization, funded by member donations, unlike for example FreedomWorks which is astroturf.
#4) What MoveOn is doing is supporting primary challengers to Democratic incumbents who refuse to support the public option. That is, as Alien has pointed out, democracy in action.
So, thanks for playing. But, as usual, you've whiffed at the T-ball with a tennis racket.
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