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#1 2009-10-29 9:05 pm
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CIA more cuddly, friendly than military with detainees
http://rawstory.com/2009/10/lawyer-cia- … g-torture/
"In the military, there was actually a larger number of deaths than with the CIA," Sifton continued. "The CIA engaged in some horrendous abuses, but they appear to have taken precautions to have actually prevented people from dying -- which might sound humanitarian, but in fact was kind of sickening."
"The military wasn't so careful," Sifton added. "The military subjected a lot of people to the same techniques, but without the precautions, and as a result a large number of detainees in military custody died. ... While they didn't use the worst forms of torture, like waterboarding, they often used sleep deprivation, forced standing, stress positions. ... When you combine these techniques ... they cause excruciating pain ... and the military used them on thousands and thousands of detainees."
Sifton commented that what he found most shocking was "the cold, clinical fashion in which they went about designing the program. They didn't want to commit outright physical torture ... so they went to psychologists and lawyers and they tried to design a program which was, in their minds, legal. ... They tried to make it legal and safe, but they just made it even more grotesque."
So, which is worse. Torturing people to death, or keeping people alive so they can be tortured longer?
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#2 2009-10-29 9:07 pm
Re: CIA more cuddly, friendly than military with detainees
Are you familiar with the writings of Shang Tzu? (/firefly)
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#3 2009-10-29 9:07 pm
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Re: CIA more cuddly, friendly than military with detainees
You are asking a qualitative question, when you should be asking an absolute question.
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#4 2009-10-29 9:53 pm
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Re: CIA more cuddly, friendly than military with detainees
sturner wrote:
You are asking a qualitative question, when you should be asking an absolute question.
Indeed.
I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you. That amuses me.
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