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#1 2009-10-18 10:23 am

Donkey Butter
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(help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

I have a multilayer (3 to be exact) project that I need some help with.

top layer is a decoder/magnifying glass

mid layer is one of those things that you can only read by viewing through a red lens (this type of thing)

background layer is the code.




I want to animate the glass moving and revealing the code. so what I have tried is linking the layer mask on the mid layer with the glass (top layer) but it doesn't work because it moves the whole layer and not just the mask. unlinking the mask and layer hasn't worked either.

I thought I read somewhere that you can have a layer mask reveal through everything to the background, but I can't for the life of me remember how to do it.

I can email anyone interested in helping me the psd file so you can better understand what it is that I'm trying to do.

I am using CS4

thanks

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#2 2009-10-18 1:10 pm

mahakali
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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

If I read you correctly, don't use a mask, instead create the mask on the "code" layer. The mask would be the magnifier. Unlink the mask and move it the topmost position, like this:

1. the code (masked, unlinked)
2. what's supposed to be thie mid layer

Then, animate the mask.


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#3 2009-10-18 2:16 pm

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

that works, but the layer still moves with it.

I'm not sure I gave a good explanation, and that is what I always find for annoying about these types of questions posted on here is that people try to write out what the issue is but the image doesn't translate into words very well.

the three layers are "decoder" "code" and "code cover" the decoder or the glass is by itself on the layer. the "code" layer is a copy of the "code cover" layer except that it has some text on it "happy birthday harlie" (my niece)

the code and code cover layers are twice the size of the current canvass. the thinking was that once masked I would be able to move one layer over the other without seeing the edge of the layer. however in doing it this way the top layer, be it the code of the code cover move with the glass.

I think I'm just having a major brain fart here but I can't figure it out.

here is the gif

in this I have:

1) code cover with mask in the shape of the decoder
2) decoder
3) code

you can see how the code cover moves with the decoder and looks stupid. this is what I want to avoid.

Last edited by Donkey Butter (2009-10-18 2:26 pm)

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#4 2009-10-18 8:39 pm

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

I didn't want to do it the way that I did, but it's done now and it looks the way that I wanted it to.

I had to move the mask and the glass independently. I wanted to link them together so that it would make the animating process easier, but I couldn't figure out a way to do it.

1) decoder/glass
2) code cover with mask unlocked from layer
3) code

thank you mahakali for the help

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#5 2009-10-20 7:49 am

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

Well, I don't think you can link a mask and a layer… sad


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#6 2009-10-27 7:29 pm

avkills
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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

Use AfterEffects.

Photoshop was not designed for motion graphics.

-mark

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#7 2009-10-27 9:09 pm

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

I will keep AfterEffects in mind for the next time.

thanks for the help guys

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#8 2009-10-28 9:23 am

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

I've been reading this thread over and over since day 1 and I still don't get it confused

mahakali wrote:

Well, I don't think you can link a mask and a layer… sad

I just wanted to say "Of course you can! That's why they're layer masks!" but that makes me feel like maybe I still don't get it.

Oh well. Glad you got it taken care of

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#9 2009-10-28 11:27 am

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

pottymouth wrote:

I've been reading this thread over and over since day 1 and I still don't get it confused

mahakali wrote:

Well, I don't think you can link a mask and a layer… sad

I just wanted to say "Of course you can! That's why they're layer masks!" but that makes me feel like maybe I still don't get it.

Oh well. Glad you got it taken care of

The mask is on a different layer than the layer we want to link it to. What we want to move is only the mask and another layer. Hopefully this will explain:

- layer A
- layer B -- mask (unlinked from layer B so that if you move the mask, layer B would stay put)

We want to move layer A & the mask on layer B together without moving layer B. See, if only we could link layer A and the mask on layer B. Grouping them also wouldn't work since that'd move layer B.


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#10 2009-10-28 1:53 pm

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

Layer Groups and 'Create Clipping Mask' (which used be called 'Group with Previous') are your friends here.

I haven't got time to explain fully at the moment but it's quite easy to get the effect the OP wants and move the two together.

Last edited by Jonski (2009-10-28 2:14 pm)

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#11 2009-10-28 6:04 pm

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

Here is the finished gif. 

The animation would have been more interesting but I couldn't link the mask and layer (as mahakali said) and had to move them independently.

You can see the decoder glass reveals the secret code. Being able to see the desired result would there have been a better way to create this gif?

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#12 2009-10-29 7:30 am

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

Donkey Butter wrote:

Being able to see the desired result would there have been a better way to create this gif?

The end result looks OK to me; but this is how I would have done it.

It's probably best if I illustrate this as I'm not brilliant at describing this smurf in words.

Firstly, this is done in CS3 as CS4 is diseased and I'm not putting that thing back on my machine - but it should be pretty much the same.

This is how the Layers and Layer Group work within the palette - see what's linked as to be able them to move together and which Layers within the Layer Group are 'Clipping Masks' (or 'Grouped with Previous' in older versions of PS).

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Jonski/Pallette.jpg


And this is the result. I've used a magnified white 'X' here to show it better, but same thing will translate to the 'code' thingy!
Bear in mind that it was done quickly just to demonstrate the technique. blush

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Jonski/Test001.gif

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#13 2009-10-29 5:40 pm

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

looks good Jonski. I was thinking that there would be a way using a clipping mask but I was so focused on the layer mask idea and getting that to work.

I like that even though you put this together as a "quick demonstration" you still but a little glare on the lens. smile

(I thought I was the only one that labeled my background as bg)

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#14 2009-10-30 8:35 am

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

Well, did't think of it that way. up


1. Instill fear.
2. ???????? (use your imagination)
3. Profit!

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#15 2009-10-30 9:35 am

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Re: (help wanted) photoshop layer mask question

Just had a think about this. There's actually no need to include a Layer Group at all - that's just me wanting to keep things organized. There are benefits but it's not essential.

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