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Chickenhawk wrote:

Who built it then? It sure as hell wasn't the jews.

Jewish Nephilim.

We don't know for sure who erected the great pyramid and the sphinx, but we do know they pre-dated Egyptian civilization by many thousands of years.

Bren wrote:

I read an article somewhere which asserted that European were, in fact, among the guilty parties. I wish I could remember where I found it. War and political struggle aren't the same as chopping down every tree and killing every animal. There is strong evidence that the few surviving Easter-Islanders were willing to go along with the bogus story that their own people were responsible for the decimation because they no-longer knew their own history, were rewarded for making statements which supported the false history, and punished for saying things which contradicted it.

The problem with this story is that Easter Island was largely treeless by the time the first Europeans got there. Below is a passage from the logbooks of earliest voyages to Easter Island found on this page.  In 1722 from the explorer that gave Easter Island its current name:

When we approached nearer the land we saw distinctly from a short distance that the description of the sandy and low island did not accord in the least with our discovery. Furthermore, it could not be the same land which the aforesaid voyagers claim to have seen stretching 14 to 16 leagues in front of them, and near the highland which Dampier judged to be the coast-line of the unknown south. That Easter Island can not be the sandy island described by Davis is clear, because that was small and low, while on the contrary Easter Island is high and towers above the sea, having also two elevations rising above the level part. It would not be possible to mistake, even at the dry season of the year, the grass and verdure that covers the hill-sides for barren sand. After the Dutch custom of the day, the admiral assembled the commanders of the three vessels composing his fleet--the Arend, the African Galley, and the Thienhoven--in council to pass formal resolutions claiming the discovery of the land. The proceedings of the assembly state that on Easter day land was sighted about 9 miles distant, of moderate height, and containing an area of about 6 Dutch miles. The weather being calm the vessels were not able to secure an anchorage near the land until the next day, The island was found to be destitute of trees, but with a fertile soil producing bananas, potatoes, and sugar-cane of extraordinary thickness. It was unanimously agreed that both from the difference in the location as well as the appearance of the land seen by Davis, the fact was established beyond doubt that the island just discovered could not be the same. These proceedings, being drawn up, were formally signed by Jacob Roggeveen, Jan Koster, Cornelius Bonman, and Roelof Rosendaal. After sailing from Easter Island the vessels spent a number of days in it search for the low sandy island described by Davis, but not with success.
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Bren wrote:

We don't know for sure who erected the great pyramid and the sphinx, but we do know they pre-dated Egyptian civilization by many thousands of years.

I'll believe radiometric dating over Edgar Cayce's psychic intuitions.

sturner wrote:

Yeah, it were the Nubians who did the Great pyramid.

Nope. Goa'uld.

Actually, it was the Celts who did all of that. Simply another example of superior Aryan supremacy.

radarman wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Bren wrote:

We don't know for sure who erected the great pyramid and the sphinx, but we do know they pre-dated Egyptian civilization by many thousands of years.

I'll believe radiometric dating over Edgar Cayce's psychic intuitions.

Or, the fact that many were sealed with Egyptian bodies, art, literature, and other artifacts still inside?

Many? I didn't say all of the pyramids pre-dated the Egyptians. I said the great pyramid pre-dates their civilization. The Egyptians did, in fact, build numerous inferior copies of the great pyramid. Normally you'd expect any civilization's technology to get better over time, but this is not the case in Egypt. Their oldest, earliest pyramid is a technological marvel, and the further forward we move in time, the less sophisticated the pyramids become.

This, along with a whole mountain of other evidence, supports the theory that the great pyramid and the sphinx were the work of a much older, much more technologically advanced civilization.

Here's a lengthy article which disputes Jared Diamond: http://www.sacredsites.com/americas/chi … sland.html

Keep in mind that the main reason people are interested in the Easter Island culture, as well as the Nazca culture I started this thread with, is because of the amazing engineering done by pre-industrial societies. There were plenty of less engineering-minded cultures which don't attract the same scrutiny from amateur anthropologists. They are equally responsible for their own behavior. It's trivially simple for a goat herder to destroy a parcel of land's value. It's easy to import invasive rats to an island (which the Polynesians did in fact do). It's easy to drive a Palm to extinction (which the Easter Islanders fully or nearly accomplished prior to European contact.)

Bren wrote:

radarman wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

I'll believe radiometric dating over Edgar Cayce's psychic intuitions.

Or, the fact that many were sealed with Egyptian bodies, art, literature, and other artifacts still inside?

Many? I didn't say all of the pyramids pre-dated the Egyptians. I said the great pyramid pre-dates their civilization. The Egyptians did, in fact, build numerous inferior copies of the great pyramid. Normally you'd expect any civilization's technology to get better over time, but this is not the case in Egypt. Their oldest, earliest pyramid is a technological marvel, and the further forward we move in time, the less sophisticated the pyramids become.

This, along with a whole mountain of other evidence, supports the theory that the great pyramid and the sphinx were the work of a much older, much more technologically advanced civilization.

Atlantians.

Pariah wrote:

Atlantians.

That's a loaded word, and so synonymous with New Age BS that it's hard to take seriously. That there was a lost civilization which predates all of the known ones is almost a certainty, and it's entirely possible that early writings on the topic of Atlantis were the result of an oral history regarding this lost civilization.

Is it a coincidence that all over the world, cultures which we consider ancient have left behind art and technology which imply that they were descendants of a common parent? The pyramids in the Americas and Asia are one example.

Bren wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Atlantians.

That there was a lost civilization which predates all of the known ones is almost a certainty, and it's entirely possible that early writings on the topic of Atlantis were the result of an oral history regarding this lost civilization.

Didn't stories of "Atlantis" only begin to surface after the years started counting forwards?

Also, as far as lost civilizations, there's a ton of 'em.  Do a search for "Songhai."  There's evidence of an advanced civilization that existed in east-central Africa that was long gone before traders from Near Asia ever got there.  The same is true of the Indus River civilizations of ancient India.  I'm not very good with history, though.

If the technology was there, howcome the newer pyramids lack the great pyramid's impossible-to-replicate level of precision? And if the great pyramid was built by Egyptians, I again ask, where did the water-erosion damage come from?