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I agree. They could fit a Pro Keyboard into that much width... (just!)

People should also remember that if they put a larger keyboard on it, they would have had to design and produce two different sized keyboards between the 12 and 17 inch models. This would have raised productions costs.

People should also remember that if they put a larger keyboard on it, they would have had to design and produce two different sized keyboards between the 12 and 17 inch models. This would have raised productions costs.

Aren't the keyboards different anyway?  The 17 is lighted, the 12 isn't.

Yeah, I don't think the 12" has a lighted Keyboard.  Maybe the lights aren't IN the keyboard, but UNDER it.  Maybe its the same keyboard, but with a light under it in the 17" model.

Maybe it will grow on me...

Good point, I didn't think of that.  If they are the same keyboard, how long until someone hacks a twelver to light up?  I'd like that because the 17" AlBook looks all out of proportion, not to mention I just like the smaller machine...

This showed me some things that Apple is finally aware of. When the first TiBooks came out two years ago, they were beautiful. But there were many things they lacked. They couldn't burn CDs, Couldnt burn DVDs, had only an 8 meg video card, and a 20 gig hard drive.

A few users on here including VideoArtGuy and myself rallied for a more robust laptop. We didn't even want a desktop machine. When you think about it, there is no use for one. If you can build a laptop with a bleeding edge video card, a ton of memory, and a fast chip, this would lay the ground work to put a portable on your desk. With Firewire and USB, adding drives is no problem. You can add the DVD burner, a 250 gig hard drive (or daisy chain of them for that matter). You can have the mouse and full size keyboard on your desk and hook the laptop to any massive display.

Apple got the hint. They have created some amazing laptops that dont comprimise anything to the user. These machines can now play any game on the shelf about as well as the desktops can. They can burn DVDs, CDs, ect. They have 802.11g, Gigabit Ethernet and Blue Tooth to handle the networking side of the house. They sport 60 gig internal harddrives and have 800 meg firewire to add your other harddrives. And now they even have a model with a 17 inch built in display...for those users who do music production and video production while on the go.

I can see why Apple is envisioning portables taking up half or more of their market share. The big picture concept is for Apple to provide your digital lifestyle using a digital hub. If this is really going to come to fruition, wouldn't you want to take that digital lifestyle with you everywhere you go? I sure as hell do. I have a desktop machine that is gathering dust. And its because I use the 1ghz powerbook for everything I do. I can do anything with it. I compromise nothing, and everywhere I go I know I have all my stuff with me.

After seeing these latest Powerbooks, I see that Apple gets it.

(Me): "Give me everything, I want to compromise nothing, and I want to take it everywhere."
(Apple): "Granted"

I understand about the digital lifestyle and no need for desktop stuff, about this laptop can do anything you want a apple desktop do but now you can take it with you!

But speaking for myself, $3499 is still a huge amount of money for a laptop/personal computer in yr 2003! I know people is going to say about blah blah BMW etc, but lets face it, in 5 yrs, that BMW will still be pretty usable in term of comfort/speed and probably have about 50% value left! Have you try to price a 5 yrs old computer(any kind) and see if you can get 10% value selling it? or how well it might perform with the modern software?

I say, Apple! lower the price! become a everyman computer company! be our friend! don't try to squeeze every penny off each computer, instead sell more at lower profit!

You can have your digital lifestyle, no comprimises (video card is a 32 meg GeForce 420 Go) and burn DVDs. The unit will still give you the firewire/blue tooth/usb/gig ethernet/wireless 802.11g.

Just a little nitpicky, but the twelver doesn't have gig ethernet.  Nor does it have Firewire 800.

Not quite the cutting edge specs as the 17" PowerBook.

I still want one...

Just a little nitpicky, but the twelver doesn't have gig ethernet.  Nor does it have Firewire 800.

Nor do it's key light up and it doesn't have a PCMCIA slot and it doesn't have this or that either.

<-----it seems big!for a midget

That is one of the best commercials - at least it made my Mom laugh, and she wouldn't know a computer from a toaster but she asked about the PowerBooks - which means Apple won't put it on TV where the non-Apple freaks will see it

Something I haven't seen anybody mention... the screen resolution.

1.6 screen ratio on the 17", slightly wider ratio than the 15"...