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I believe in long, deep, soft, wet kisses.

For some odd reason, that put me in mind of being awakened unexpectedly by a St. Bernard who is happy to see me.   

I believe in long, deep, soft, wet kisses.

For some odd reason, that put me in mind of being awakened unexpectedly by a St. Bernard who is happy to see me.   

I could arrange that.

uh huh, sure

OK, oatmeal. I'll play.

I never seen a ghost personally(that I know of). I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I have lived in houses and felt like I was being watched or somebody was there. One year I was at my late grandfathers house sleeping in the basement. I was sleeping when I was awaken because I heard my name being called out in a loud whispering voice scared me so much I slept with the light on. Another incident I was trying to sleep when I saw a white light go across the basement wall. I don't think they were car lights just the way the basement windows are and you can hear if a car pulls into the driveway. Not very exciting but oh well.

All of this is easily explainable. Hearing a car pulling into the driveway, you simply heard a car down on the street. I used to hear stuff like that all the time. Sound acts funny, and it can be hard to tell where it's coming from occasionally. The other stuff all starts with "I was sleeping when..." or "I was trying to sleep when...." It's much more likely that you were still dreaming, or in a dream-like state, than you were seeing or hearing the spirits of the undead.

A long winded story

Oat, as for your story, either you are lying to impress everybody on the forum with your "better than everyone else's" ghost story, or you had a delusion brought on by the idea that was already implanted into your head by your friend's stories and the scary movies you were watching. I'm guessing that you have embellished an actual story, i.e., you saw something (a light from outside) and have either consciously turned it into a ghost story that you can impress people with, or have subconsciously twisted it to fit the "facts" that you had been presented with about the house being haunted.

Or, you're just out and out lying.

A long winded story

Oat, as for your story, either you are lying to impress everybody on the forum with your "better than everyone else's" ghost story, or you had a delusion brought on by the idea that was already implanted into your head by your friend's stories and the scary movies you were watching. I'm guessing that you have embellished an actual story, i.e., you saw something (a light from outside) and have either consciously turned it into a ghost story that you can impress people with, or have subconsciously twisted it to fit the "facts" that you had been presented with about the house being haunted.

Why don't you just come out and call me a liar?

Or, you're just out and out lying.

Oh.  You did.   


I haven't embellished a word or twisted a fact.  I'm describing exactly what I saw, and what I felt. 

You still haven't answered my two questions.

1) Why are you so dead-set against the possibility that ghosts exist.
2) Do you believe in an afterlife?

You still haven't answered my two questions.

1) Why are you so dead-set against the possibility that ghosts exist.

Because there are much more reasonable explanations for "ghosts" or "hauntings," and I have yet to hear of a situation where there isn't one. Same applies for UFOs, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

2) Do you believe in an afterlife?

Ah, the classic trap. If I do believe in an afterlife, I'm a hypocrite, but if I don't, I'm an atheist and my opinion can be dismissed as cynical tripe. I'm not going to answer this one, because I don't see how it is relevant to the discussion beyond your little trap.

By the way, I left open the possibility that you're not lying and just delusional.

Ok...  You won't give the alternate viewpoint the time of day, and you won't participate in the discussion in any way other than to announce "you're full of it" to the people who believe other than what you believe.  I think I begin to see what your reasons for posting here in this thread are...

All of this is easily explainable. Hearing a car pulling into the driveway, you simply heard a car down on the street. I used to hear stuff like that all the time. Sound acts funny, and it can be hard to tell where it's coming from occasionally. The other stuff all starts with "I was sleeping when..." or "I was trying to sleep when...." It's much more likely that you were still dreaming, or in a dream-like state, than you were seeing or hearing the spirits of the undead.

Well usually I don't hear my named being called out in the middle of the night unless someone had to wake me up.

"Do you believe in ghosts?" asks the thread.
"No," said you.  Then you proceeded to trash other people's beliefs.
"Why not?" I asked.
"Because there is no proof that they exist," said you.  Then you continued to trash other people's beliefs.

I disagree with you, therefore, I'm a troll.

No, you're a troll because

You won't give the alternate viewpoint the time of day, and you won't participate in the discussion in any way other than to announce "you're full of it" to the people who believe other than what you believe.

There are a lot of people in here whose minds are opened to the possibility that just because they can't explain a thing does not necessarialy follow that it can not exist.  Some of those people have chosen to share experiences that they have no way to explain, and you have come in here to call them liars and tell us all that we are full of it.

You seem to have taken this discussion quite personally for someone who doesn't believe in them.

"Do you believe in ghosts?" asks the thread.
"No," said you.  Then you proceeded to trash other people's beliefs.
"Why not?" I asked.
"Because there is no proof that they exist," said you.  Then you continued to trash other people's beliefs.

I disagree with you, therefore, I'm a troll.

No, you're a troll because

You won't give the alternate viewpoint the time of day, and you won't participate in the discussion in any way other than to announce "you're full of it" to the people who believe other than what you believe.

There are a lot of people in here whose minds are opened to the possibility that just because they can't explain a thing does not necessarialy follow that it can not exist.  Some of those people have chosen to share experiences that they have no way to explain, and you have come in here to call them liars and tell us all that we are full of it.

You seem to have taken this discussion quite personally for someone who doesn't believe in them.

Oh, this is getting fun.

I've given the opposite point of view the time of day. I've taken a scientific look at it as best as I can. Let's take your example. You say that you saw something. Very good. Now, did you gather any other evidence besides your own perceptions, such as a photograph? No. Did you have an eyewitness? No. Is there any way to show that what you said is what you said it is? No, we'd have to take your word for it.

Now, considering that you have already confessed to believing in ghosts, that leaves your judgment in this questionable. Not because I think you're loony or anything, but because you come to it with a preconceived notion, so you are more likely to interpret your own observation through that filter. You see a strange light or something in a room, and it becomes a ghost. You exclude the possibility that it could be lights from a passing car or something else. No, it's a ghost to you, even though there is no other evidence to support that.

Two quotes for you, one short, the other long. The first is a paraphrase of a statement attributed to Carl Sagan: It's important to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.

The second I'll link to, since it's quite long. I suggest you read it. Here

Slarty!!! Why must you always be toeing the line of being banned!? For smurf's sakes, disagreeing with oatmeal! It's like saying that Macs are slow!!! You TROLL!

Well, if you're so sure, then by all means.... go on with your bad self.

You don't believe my description of what I saw? Fine.  Don't go calling me a liar with nothing more than "I don't believe you" as your backup.

OK, you're not a liar. I take it back. You're just delusional.

You don't believe my description of what I saw? Fine.  Don't go calling me a liar with nothing more than "I don't believe you" as your backup.

OK, you're not a liar. I take it back. You're just delusional.

I'll take 'delusional' over 'liar' any day. 

BTW - did you read the story referenced in my original post?  It is evidence AGAINST my point of view.  Here it is again.

So Oatmeal what sort of drugs were you on when you "saw" or "heard" your ghost? I just want to verify that they were the same ones I took since we are both delusional.

BTW - did you read the story referenced in my original post?  It is evidence AGAINST my point of view.  Here it is again.

Yes, I read it. What's your point, that you're trying to be objective or something?