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12. If gay marriages are legally recognized in the United States, God will lift his magic shield that's protected us and we'll be attacked again, just like on September 11th. (Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.)

If you want to build on this one, South Africa constitutionally recognizes homosexuality as valid.  You can point to the high HIV rate, or the high murder rate as examples of what befalls a nation that turns from God's will.

Empty rhetoric would/should result in a poor grade.

But, attributing the HIV rate to same-sex couples qualfies as empty rhetoric. I think you missed my point.

Well certainly homosexual sex has contributed to high HIV rate in SA.  It happens both in the mine workers (one of the highest infection rates) and in the initiation schools.  Now its hard to see the exact relationship between this and real relationships, but it is also not empty rhetoric.  Additionally, God's Shield is a pretty fuzzy concept that can be molded to suit the needs of the speaker.

"]...so I ask you people here who are opposed to give why exactly you are opposed, preferably with info to back it up. Thanks.

because there are two types of humans...males and females.  they each have their own sexual organs.  one fits into the other.

two males can't fit into each others sexual organs, two females can't fit into each others sexual organs.

*those of you thinking...your butthole isn't a sexual organ, sorry

"]...so I ask you people here who are opposed to give why exactly you are opposed, preferably with info to back it up. Thanks.

because there are two types of humans...males and females.  they each have their own sexual organs.  one fits into the other.

two males can't fit into each others sexual organs, two females can't fit into each others sexual organs.

*those of you thinking...your butthole isn't a sexual organ, sorry

To the mods, if this is inappropriate, feel free to remove this, I'm not sure if this is over the line.

So what about tit sex?  Are breasts sexual organs?  The primary function is to produce milk for children.  Does that make a husband and wife who engage in such activity wrong/sinful?  Should we attempt to stop such activity from occurring?

because there are two types of humans...males and females.  they each have their own sexual organs.  one fits into the other.

two males can't fit into each others sexual organs, two females can't fit into each others sexual organs.

I've always hated this argument as bad as "it's a sin.  Period."

It's based entirely on test tube biology and totally ignores our social nature.  Look at a bumblebee in a test tube and they aren't supposed to be able to fly.

Sorry I went off topic.

How about golden showers? Or pearl necklaces? These are "hetero" things that don't seem to quite match this harebrained theory. Dammit, where's the outrage?!?

How about golden showers? Or pearl necklaces? These are "hetero" things that don't seem to quite match this harebrained theory. Dammit, where's the outrage?!?

Psychology distinguishes between sexual orientation and fetish. There is a distinction between sexual acts and sexual orientation.

Which old days?

Which culture? What time period?

Sure, the Puritans supposedly had sex with their clothes on, bathed with clothes on, used the "missionary position", and never had sex for pleasure.

But, at the same time, in other cultures, other sexual mores were in place. And, Sparta came before the Puritans.

Did you know there was once a Catholic rite for blessing same-sex unions? I've seen the mosaics. There is even, I've read, a male couple who are both saints.

How little people understand History...

*those of you thinking...your butthole isn't a sexual organ, sorry

What about your mouth?  Hands?  Ears?

Christ, either you're having the most boring sex imaginable, or you have absolutely no idea of what the hell you're talking about.

I'm favoring the later, despite your fervent claims of a raucous sex life before finding jesus.

This thread is trash.  You should not be forced to argue a position you do not support.

I'd rather fail.

Nah, it's fun...that's what 'debate' is all about!  (Didn't he say it was for a debate class?)

This thread is trash.  You should not be forced to argue a position you do not support.

I'd rather fail.

Nah, it's fun...that's what 'debate' is all about!  (Didn't he say it was for a debate class?)

I am not going to argue against myself because many would use it against me in the future.  If I want to debate something, I will pick my side and my topic and not be told what I believe by some omnipotent teacher.

because there are two types of humans...males and females.  they each have their own sexual organs.  one fits into the other.

two males can't fit into each others sexual organs, two females can't fit into each others sexual organs.

*those of you thinking...your butthole isn't a sexual organ, sorry

Oh, it can be.  A mouth isn't a sexual organ either, but I can't think of too many people who would want to give up oral sex because it doesn't fit into the narrow view of doing what is supposedly biologically correct...

Is kissing sanctioned by good Christianly behavior, or is it strict missionary position, through a hole in a sheet, and only for procreation, nothing more?

I was a debate nerd back in high school.  I usually found it easier to argue against the side that I personally believed in.  It forced me to be more objective and put my feelings about the topic aside.