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Ok. So don't buy the cd. That's what I say. Screw the RIAA.

And I was wondering. How would I know if a cd has DRM? Is there something that is written on the cd case? If there isn't, I would just return that cd. And they better take it back.

That's easy to say when it's Anthony Hamilton, but I just know that someday there will be a new CD that I really want to buy, and it will be copy protected. I guess I'll have to order the CD from Canada or Australia or something, or find some workaround for the copy protection.

I certainly hope they label the CDs as copy protected, that way they'll be sure to rot on the shelves.

Arrr...it's drivin' me nuts.

{hands NAG a steering wheel}

Try that again.

If you can listen to a song on a computer, you can disable any DRM. Anyone savvy enough to operate a desktop computer will figure it out sooner or later. It might require some shareware, or your soundcard may include the facility via it's own software. Either way, music companies are only fooling themselves.

No software is even required.  I own one of these. 

This is even better... does the same thing for half the cost!

Import with iMovie
Export with iDVD
Pirate with Apple (Pirate of Silicon valley?)

Arrrrr.  Feast yer eyes on this, me buckos.

Ye be looking at "WireTap," else I be havin ya walk the plank.

The record and computer companies are delusional in their DRM efforts.
The sorts of people who would trade files are the same sorts who will make the effort to get the music "out there"...and it requires absolutely no hacking or programming experience. Moreover, the method that will likely be most used (realtime recording)is legal (so far) and leaves absolutely zero DRM traces in the new file. that can now be shared on P2P.

Ok. So don't buy the cd. That's what I say. Screw the RIAA.

And I was wondering. How would I know if a cd has DRM? Is there something that is written on the cd case? If there isn't, I would just return that cd. And they better take it back.

well, philips invented the music compact disc and has copyrighted the "Compact Disc: Digital Audio" that should be on every CD you find.  chances are, if it doesn't have that same emblem, it is copy-protected.  the copy-protected cd's aren't actually music cd's that philips invented, so they wouldn't want anyone putting their logo on something that isn't true.
http://www.fatchucks.com/z3.cd.html is a pretty good site to go to for this.

screen door on a battleship?

<BTTF2>
Biff: That's about as funny as a screen door on a battleship.

Marty: Screen door on a submarine, you dork.
</BTTF2>

If you can listen to a song on a computer, you can disable any DRM. Anyone savvy enough to operate a desktop computer will figure it out sooner or later. It might require some shareware, or your soundcard may include the facility via it's own software. Either way, music companies are only fooling themselves.

No software is even required.  I own one of these. 

This is even better... does the same thing for half the cost!

Import with iMovie
Export with iDVD
Pirate with Apple (Pirate of Silicon valley?)

There are reasons to choose the Formac over the ADS.  I considered both.

This is even better... does the same thing for half the cost!

Import with iMovie
Export with iDVD
Pirate with Apple (Pirate of Silicon valley?)

There are reasons to choose the Formac over the ADS.  I considered both.

What reasons are those... I've used the ADS to make about 35 movies in MP4 fornat from VHS and DVD... no problems at all. What reasons have you found to chooe Formac over ADS?

First of all, it records natively in DV format.  Second, it can record straight to iMovie, if you so desire.  Third, it has a built in TV/FM tuner.  And finally, it ignores copy protection (The ADS will not copy a protected video). 

What reasons are those... I've used the ADS to make about 35 movies in MP4 fornat from VHS and DVD... no problems at all. What reasons have you found to chooe Formac over ADS?

First of all, it records natively in DV format.  Second, it can record straight to iMovie, if you so desire.  Third, it has a built in TV/FM tuner.  And finally, it ignores copy protection (The ADS will not copy a protected video). 

The Pyro AV Link CAN record straight into iMovie... thus it also copies into DV. Pyro is simply a bridge between RCA or Componant Video INOUT and Firewire OUTPUT.
I have copied all of my VHS tapes without any problem. I also copied a few from blockbuster.

Piont is, the ADS Pyro does bypass copy protection (I've done it) and records straight into iMovie (done that too) and I have never had a problem. So as I see it, I can do everything you can but for less ! 

That's cool.  I must have gotten bunk information.  I do have a tuner though. 

so...the regular audio is still there.  seems like this just means someone will find a way to grab the standard files instead of the wma.

not to mention the file space that this will take up.  I guess the solution to piracy is to release less music on a disc...

Most audio CDs don't come any where near their max capacity. Most of mine are a little over half full of uncompressed audio (about 12 songs, each about 4 minutes lets say, gives us 48 minutes out of 74 total) which leaves plenty of space for some compressed files like WMA or MP3 or whatever.

If it really came down to it, i'm sure that the iPOd could be firmware upgraded to play WMA...

Also, does the music on the audio CD come compressed in WMA, or is it the uncompressed audio in a WMA wrapper?

smurf that.  I don't want Apple having to pay Microsoft.  That's all we need, them making money on each iPod sold.  smurf that and smurf wma.

Aren't we all forgetting something? Everytime you put a CDPlus CD in, or a hybrid Mac/PC game/app, you always see all the volumes mount on the desktop. The drive is not assigned to a certain letter like in Windows, so everything will mount! You can then drag the AIFF files to iTunes and encode them no problem, ignoring the other partition much the same way you ignore that other partition of WCIII, or Diablo II.

Secondly, copy protection sucks, and everyone knows it. There will always be someone that knows how to break it / go around it / ignore it well enough so that we will always see it on KaZaA, BitTorrent, LimeWire, HotLine, Carracho, etc. etc. etc. etc.

-Tima