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#51 2003-11-03 2:58 am
- benightedbastard
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
I don't think it's possible to trust any source entirely, especially if they're not manufacturing it themselves, and I was under the impression the testing kits were not comprehensive.
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#52 2003-11-03 3:13 am
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I have done Ecstasy two times and both were life affirming. In my eyes it is the drug of choice. I have to side with Cheesy, it's a great drug. But where many don't have problems, I have.
I did E for the second time last June, 3 months after my first, and it was wonderful. Just as good, if not better than the first. I followed this dose with 5-HTP (a seratonin building chemical) which is often used to help fend off possible issues with seratonin deficiency. I did that once daily for about a month. At the end of July I was in Seattle with a friend and I had a series of panic attacks. The worst feeling possible, I felt I was surely going to die. One of which resulted in me puking at a movie theatre. I didn't draw the line to ecstasy at first. I thought it must have been food poisoning or caffeine overdose that had caused the symptoms. So, I stopped drinking caffeine for a few weeks and lo and behold when I had a coffee I had an attack. So I was sure it was caffeine that was doing this to me. So since then I stopped drinking coffee. But my theory is that caffeine only makes the symptoms worse, it isn't causing them. I still have small panic attacks in which I feel extreme anxiety. While watching a suspenseful movie for instance I will feel my stomach churn, or feel like I'm going to die for some reason. I am quite positive that ecstasy is to blame for this. I really wish it wasn't, it's a wonderful drug, but I can't risk it and do it again. At least not for a good long time.
Ecstasy isn't phsysically addictive, but it is mentally addicitve. For about 3 months after doing E I got extreme cravings for it. I get excited merely saying the word or thinking about it. I bought a cap, intending to do it with a friend, and I got as far as to having it about an inch from my tongue when I pulled back. I'm so glad I did this. I no longer feel the draw I did.
E is a wonderful drug, and I strongly reccomend it to you all, but please, research it in depth and do it in a safe environment. It has very positive effects, but it does have hidden dangers like those I have experienced.
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#53 2003-11-03 11:21 am
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And I strongly recomend that people dont try it. Negating the bad effects it can have it is also *illegal* and just in case you don't know, a drug arrest can severly mess up your future career opertunities. If you even have any after doing e.
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#54 2003-11-03 11:25 am
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also this is from the faq about the testing kits:
Can the kit identify pills containing MDMA plus another drug?
No. The testing kits are useful because they can identify pills containing MDMA as well as screen against pills which do not contain any MDMA. However, just because a pill tests positive for MDMA does not mean it is pure. There might be another drug present. Unfortunately, ecstasy testing kits cannot identify whether a pill containing MDMA contains another drug. (If you want to find out, use our free, anonymous, laboratory pill analysis program.)
Note: Our lab program has revealed that the vast majority of pills containing MDMA do not contain other drugs.
I wouldnt feel much safer that their "lab" tests havent show many MDMA + other drugs.
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#55 2003-11-03 11:27 am
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
I did E for the second time last June
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why the smurf do people keep calling it E? The smurf is called X. you know like X-stasy? jesus.
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#56 2003-11-03 11:34 am
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I did E for the second time last June[tangent]
why the smurf do people keep calling it E? The smurf is called X. you know like X-stasy? jesus.
because we can
also e is easier to hit than x
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#57 2003-11-03 11:47 am
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
I did E for the second time last June[tangent]
why the smurf do people keep calling it E? The smurf is called X. you know like X-stasy? jesus.
Dude, it's called tons of different things, just like other drugs have many different nicknames. Ecstasy, E, X, XTC, rolling, dropping, etc
Chill
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#58 2003-11-03 4:24 pm
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Whens the last time you heard of a kid gettting charged for possetion of a single cap.
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#60 2003-11-03 5:07 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
If you get caught trying to bring pills into a rave they'll most likely just confiscate them, unless you have a lot. But really, it's not hard at all to hide them (hint: toes and crotch).
It's really easy to find it inside raves anyway, the second you walk in the door you hear people saying "X" (or G for GHB or K for Ketamine, etc).
Hell, I had a guy offer me acid on Halloween (now THAT smurf is bad...but remember Steve Jobs experimented with LSD in the 70's and he's doing just fine as the CEO of our favorite company...)
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#61 2003-11-03 5:34 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
I had to get very very loud with a Cabbie in Mexico who couldnt imagin why I wouldnt want to buy cocaine from him.
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#62 2003-11-03 5:40 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
Drugs are bad, mmkay?
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#63 2003-11-03 5:40 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
If you get caught trying to bring pills into a rave they'll most likely just confiscate them, unless you have a lot. But really, it's not hard at all to hide them (hint: toes and crotch).
It's really easy to find it inside raves anyway, the second you walk in the door you hear people saying "X" (or G for GHB or K for Ketamine, etc).
Hell, I had a guy offer me acid on Halloween (now THAT smurf is bad...but remember Steve Jobs experimented with LSD in the 70's and he's doing just fine as the CEO of our favorite company...)
Actually, LSD is physically far less harmful than MDMA. LD50/ED50 is over 5000 and it doesn't have any physical effects below that.
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#64 2003-11-03 6:40 pm
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but remember Steve Jobs experimented with LSD in the 70's and he's doing just fine as the CEO of our favorite company...
Steve Jobs made his own company, I doubt many people here are going to be that lucky. Even less are going to be drug users and that lucky.
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#65 2003-11-03 7:12 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
If you get caught trying to bring pills into a rave they'll most likely just confiscate them, unless you have a lot. But really, it's not hard at all to hide them (hint: toes and crotch).
It's really easy to find it inside raves anyway, the second you walk in the door you hear people saying "X" (or G for GHB or K for Ketamine, etc).
Hell, I had a guy offer me acid on Halloween (now THAT smurf is bad...but remember Steve Jobs experimented with LSD in the 70's and he's doing just fine as the CEO of our favorite company...)Actually, LSD is physically far less harmful than MDMA. LD50/ED50 is over 5000 and it doesn't have any physical effects below that.
Physically maybe its not as harmful, but mentally its much much worse. LSD can permanently rewire your brain if you do it too much. Years later people can get acid flashbacks. Bad trips can lead to bad things as well. It basically compounds all your problems.
My mom once told me "whatever you do don't do LSD"...I have no idea why, i doubt she ever did it, but maybe she had friends or something who had bad experiences.
by the way, what do you mean by the LD50/ED50 is over 5000? 5000 what? LD50 of MDMA is something like 1000mg (somewhere between 10-20mg/kg of body-weight). What does that have to do with anything.
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#66 2003-11-03 8:45 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
LD50/ED50 is a ratio. It means that Lethal Dosage is over 5000 times Effective Dosage.
In essence, you'd have to take 5000 simultaneous hits of acid to overdose.
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#67 2003-11-03 8:50 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
I think using "E", as the kids call it, is really intelligent.
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#68 2003-11-03 9:32 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
Commentary from reviewed medical literature
Ecstasy is a recreational drug that is increasing in popularity, particularly in young adolescents. Its appeal involves its euphoric effects and a feeling of empathy for others (hence the nickname "hug drug"). This appeal may be furthered by a misleading and anecdotal perception of safety. Cases of adverse effects, toxic reactions, and fatalities are increasingly being reported in the medical literature, as well as in the popular press. Adverse effects include hyperthermia, seizures, cardiac abnormalities, and hyponatremia. Long-term Ecstasy use may result in serotonin terminal degeneration and depletion, which may result in psychiatric and cognitive sequelae. Controversy surrounds the legalization of Ecstasy for medicinal purposes.
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#69 2003-11-03 10:44 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
hyperthermia and hyponatraemia are easily prevented with a tiny bit of education (take breaks and drink water but not too much).
brain damage is most likely a result of the above mentioned conditions, but in the case that it is due to neurotoxicity there are ways of preventing it, mainly making sure the pills are of good quality and taking vitamins, minerals, and supplements before and after ecstasy use ("preloading" and "postloading"). Vitamin C (among others) helps prevent neurotoxicity, 5-HTP (a precursor to serotonin) helps replenish and build up serotonin levels before and after. Additionally magnesium helps ease the jaw-clenching side effect.
Check out this forum for more info: http://www.dancesafe.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php
I'm sure you treated many car accident victims, do you judge from the results that its not worth it to travel in a car? It's all relative. Every day tens of thousands of people use ecstasy, and the majority of them have no problems. You've seen 2 out of the estimated 6.4 million people who have used ecstasy (as of 2000, probably much more by now)...woohoo
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#70 2003-11-03 10:47 pm
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
also note that in the report you referenced the study was done on users who used ecstasy an average of 2.4 times a month. that is a LOT. everyone i know doesn't do it much more than once a month at most.
and its probably not going to hurt you if you only do it a couple times...
For those that use ecstacy once or twice in a lifetime, to date, there is no evidence to suggest impairment of memory function that are progressive or permanent in nature
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#71 2003-11-03 11:18 pm
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Driving a car isnt illegal. E is. All I hear is someone trying to defend their illegal and dangerous addiction, and trying to convince other people its ok. 
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#72 2003-11-04 12:04 am
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
Driving a car isnt illegal. E is. All I hear is someone trying to defend their illegal and dangerous addiction, and trying to convince other people its ok.
You could at least pretend to be open minded about this. 
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#73 2003-11-04 12:08 am
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
Driving a car isnt illegal. E is. All I hear is someone trying to defend their illegal and dangerous addiction, and trying to convince other people its ok.
HA addiction? I haven't done it in at least 6 months, I feel absolutely no need to do it, I simply enjoy it once in awhile. It's recreational use, hardly addiction. Ecstasy isn't physically addictive, only mentally addictive as iMoofMT noted, which I find very easy to control, thus it is not even an addiction (for me).
Also, legality isn't the issue.
Technically illegal, yes. Morally wrong and dangerous enough to not do it, thats up to me (and every person as an individual) to decide, so screw you.
I'm simply trying to eliminate all the myths surrounding it...open people's minds to the notion that what the media tells you about ecstasy might not be 100% true.
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#74 2003-11-04 12:12 am
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Re: Metyalendioxymetamoaphetamine
Driving a car isnt illegal. E is. All I hear is someone trying to defend their illegal and dangerous addiction, and trying to convince other people its ok.
You could at least pretend to be open minded about this.
Why should he be open minded about a habit that hurts alot of people and is illegal?
I dont think being close-minded about not using drugs is a bad thing.
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#75 2003-11-04 12:28 am
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Driving a car isnt illegal. E is. All I hear is someone trying to defend their illegal and dangerous addiction, and trying to convince other people its ok.
HA addiction? I haven't done it in at least 6 months, I feel absolutely no need to do it, I simply enjoy it once in awhile. It's recreational use, hardly addiction. Ecstasy isn't physically addictive, only mentally addictive as iMoofMT noted, which I find very easy to control, thus it is not even an addiction (for me).
Also, legality isn't the issue.
Technically illegal, yes. Morally wrong and dangerous enough to not do it, thats up to me (and every person as an individual) to decide, so screw you.
I'm simply trying to eliminate all the myths surrounding it...open people's minds to the notion that what the media tells you about ecstasy might not be 100% true.
"I can stop anytime I want to!" Ha, thats the phrase addicts say all the time.
You are breaking the law and allowing people to make money off of killing and hurting kids, and somehow you want us to think thats ok?
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