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#26 2003-12-05 10:04 am

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!


No, I'm not joking. What I was saying, though, was that you needed to expand on your opening claim. By itself, the lawyer's quote is not "hypocritical" unless, within that quote is something that contradicts itself. There isn't any such thing in the first post's quote. However, with the addition of the show quotes you've now added, you have the example of hypocrisy you were claiming previously, except now everyone can see it.

Hey, you're right.  Change that from hypocrite to LIAR:

The prosecuting attorney says

"Whether Mr. Limbaugh is subject to prosecution for any crimes is still under investigation. Mr. Limbaugh is presumed innocent," Krischer said.
Investigators allege in search warrants released Thursday that Limbaugh engaged in illegal drug use and went "doctor shopping" for prescription painkillers. Doctor shopping refers to looking for a doctor willing to prescribe drugs illegally, or getting prescriptions for a single drug from more than one doctor at the same time.

Limbaugh, reading from his lawyer's statement, said Thursday, "Let us make our position clear: Rush Limbaugh is not part of a drug ring. He was never a target of a drug investigation. He became addicted to a prescription drug during legitimate medical treatment. He has publicly admitted this problem and has successfully sought treatment which continues today."

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

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#27 2003-12-05 10:29 am

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

I personally think that Rush is destroying himself by discussing this on his show. He shouldn't have gone back on the air until the case was resolved one way or ther other.


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#28 2003-12-05 10:35 am

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

I personally think that Rush is destroying himself by discussing this on his show. He shouldn't have gone back on the air until the case was resolved one way or ther other.

It's better to show that he is human, ad makes mistakes, than someone who denies it till they are caught. People will have more respect of him asa whole when he kicks the habit.

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#29 2003-12-05 10:39 am

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

I personally think that Rush is destroying himself by discussing this on his show. He shouldn't have gone back on the air until the case was resolved one way or ther other.

It's better to show that he is human, ad makes mistakes, than someone who denies it till they are caught. People will have more respect of him asa whole when he kicks the habit.

Cyberpawz

But he's continuing to deny breaking laws or even being investigated. He sounds like Clinton saying, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."


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#30 2003-12-05 10:45 am

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

Mr. Limbaugh is clearly being attacked though no fault of his own by the liberal left who seek payback:  he is exactly right by discussing these charges on his show, in a forthright manner, and exposing the attackers for what they are: cowards. It is important to understand that Mr. Limbaugh "suffered extreme pain and had legitimate reasons for taking pain medication" however, "Unfortunately, because of Mr. Limbaugh's prominence and well-known political opinions, he is being subjected to an invasion of privacy no citizen of this republic should endure."

Proof positive of the vindictive liberal left that have sought opportunity to attack Mr. Limbaugh and are now relentless on the kill while the man is down and a victim. Shame!

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#31 2003-12-05 10:50 am

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

I personally think that Rush is destroying himself by discussing this on his show. He shouldn't have gone back on the air until the case was resolved one way or ther other.

It's better to show that he is human, ad makes mistakes, than someone who denies it till they are caught. People will have more respect of him asa whole when he kicks the habit.

Cyberpawz

But he's continuing to deny breaking laws or even being investigated. He sounds like Clinton saying, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

The difference between Clinton, and Rush, is that Rush is saying he did it, Clinton didn't say he did it till he got caught.

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#32 2003-12-05 11:06 am

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

The difference between Clinton, and Rush, is that Rush is saying he did it, Clinton didn't say he did it till he got caught.

Cyberpawz

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the both get Caught?

The problem I have with this is the fact that Rush attempts to place himself as a moral force against what he did.   Certainly one can argue that the medication was to deal with pain and such however one can also argue the same thing for any drug.   Current drug laws are aimed not at preventing misuse of drugs but largely the distribution of those drugs.   This is the reason that pharmacists can get cocaine legally whereas street users cannot.  Saying that there was a reason for what happen is sidestepping the true issue and crime.

As for the liberals coming down on him, yes they are.  However you really cannot blame them for doing so.  It was Rush


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#33 2003-12-05 11:19 am

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

The difference between Clinton, and Rush, is that Rush is saying he did it, Clinton didn't say he did it till he got caught.

Cyberpawz

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the both get Caught?

The problem I have with this is the fact that Rush attempts to place himself as a moral force against what he did.

I don't recall Clinton being an outspoken opponent of sex during his term of office either.

The backlash is not stemming just from Limbaugh's drug use, which is certainly forgivable, but from his years of condemning it while indulging in it himself.


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#34 2003-12-05 11:32 am

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

The difference between Clinton, and Rush, is that Rush is saying he did it, Clinton didn't say he did it till he got caught.

Cyberpawz

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the both get Caught?

The problem I have with this is the fact that Rush attempts to place himself as a moral force against what he did.

I don't recall Clinton being an outspoken opponent of sex during his term of office either.

The backlash is not stemming just from Limbaugh's drug use, which is certainly forgivable, but from his years of condemning it while indulging in it himself.

If you know anything about Limbaugh, which it seems you don't... Limbaugh use to be very hard on druggies... then after the operation, and several other things which in his case he found that he himself became addicted... he became more and more lenient to almost dismissive about druggies.

So his POV did change, unlike Clinton's... Clinton went from dating women that you could tell were passable as women, to others that look they belonged on the church walls as gargoyles.

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#35 2003-12-05 11:59 am

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If you know anything about Limbaugh, which it seems you don't... Limbaugh use to be very hard on druggies... then after the operation, and several other things which in his case he found that he himself became addicted... he became more and more lenient to almost dismissive about druggies.

So his POV did change, unlike Clinton's... Clinton went from dating women that you could tell were passable as women, to others that look they belonged on the church walls as gargoyles.

Fill me in then. Has he admitted he was wrong for being so hard on drug addicts? (ones besides himself, I mean)

I mean, delevloping understanding is all well and good, but has he addressed any of the things he used to say about them before his revelation?


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#36 2003-12-05 12:10 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

If you know anything about Limbaugh, which it seems you don't... Limbaugh use to be very hard on druggies... then after the operation, and several other things which in his case he found that he himself became addicted... he became more and more lenient to almost dismissive about druggies.

So his POV did change, unlike Clinton's... Clinton went from dating women that you could tell were passable as women, to others that look they belonged on the church walls as gargoyles.

Fill me in then. Has he admitted he was wrong for being so hard on drug addicts? (ones besides himself, I mean)

I mean, delevloping understanding is all well and good, but has he addressed any of the things he used to say about them before his revelation?

The point is, he knows what he did is wrong, and because he knows it is wrong, he is getting help for it.

Why should he be less harsh on people that are drug addicts?  He knows if they want to quit, they would ask for help... he is doing it, and is stronger than most for doing so.

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#37 2003-12-05 12:21 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!


The point is, he knows what he did is wrong, and because he knows it is wrong, he is getting help for it.

Why should he be less harsh on people that are drug addicts?  He knows if they want to quit, they would ask for help... he is doing it, and is stronger than most for doing so.

Cyberpawz

If he knew it was so wrong why would he wait until he got caught before seeking help?

I certainly could see your point of view had he went into rehab on his own terms however that was not the case, he waited until after he got caught.  He really din't have much of a choice in the matter,  the jig was up and his suppy of drugs was cut off.


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#38 2003-12-05 12:21 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

The point is, he knows what he did is wrong, and because he knows it is wrong, he is getting help for it.

Why should he be less harsh on people that are drug addicts?  He knows if they want to quit, they would ask for help... he is doing it, and is stronger than most for doing so.

Cyberpawz

No, the point is that people like Rush feel that when someone admits, "I have a drug problem", that that person should be arrested and tossed in jail to serve harsh sentences for possessing illegal drugs.  Maybe if ordinary people could admit they have a problem and get help without facing stiff penalties, they would.  But people like Rush and their rather spiteful (well formerly spiteful) rhetoric do not encourage people to be open and honest, but rather to keep their skeletons hidden in the closet.

If Rush had any ounce of integrity, he would march down to the police station, admit he broke the law and turn himself in.  Asking for any sort of mercy or sympathy for having a very thorough investigation about drugs (police completely ransack a place if they have a drug search warrant) is just plain hypocritical.

Oh yes, and a nice, humble, "I was wrong, I didn't understand, and I'm sorry" wouldn't hurt either.

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#39 2003-12-05 12:31 pm

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The point is, he knows what he did is wrong, and because he knows it is wrong, he is getting help for it.

Why should he be less harsh on people that are drug addicts?  He knows if they want to quit, they would ask for help... he is doing it, and is stronger than most for doing so.

Cyberpawz

If he knew it was so wrong why would he wait until he got caught before seeking help?

I certainly could see your point of view had he went into rehab on his own terms however that was not the case, he waited until after he got caught.  He really din't have much of a choice in the matter,  the jig was up and his suppy of drugs was cut off.

Long time no see wink Be nice if you answer my messages sometimes tongue  (j/k)

I guess the fact is that everyone who does something like this, never thinks they will get caught...

I see your point, but again, he got caught for being on a drug to just survive...at least function, because of a botched operation.  Now my question is, who really is to blame for his addiction?

The next real question is if someone is looking for help to get out of an addiction should they be prosecuted... I'd say no...because they are asking for help for something they know is wrong, but want to get better, and possibly make their life better in the long run. If they become clean and then start back again... I would say yes.

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#40 2003-12-05 12:31 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!


The point is, he knows what he did is wrong, and because he knows it is wrong, he is getting help for it.

Why should he be less harsh on people that are drug addicts?  He knows if they want to quit, they would ask for help... he is doing it, and is stronger than most for doing so.

Cyberpawz

If he knew it was so wrong why would he wait until he got caught before seeking help?

I certainly could see your point of view had he went into rehab on his own terms however that was not the case, he waited until after he got caught.  He really din't have much of a choice in the matter,  the jig was up and his suppy of drugs was cut off.

Actually, he apparently has already been in rehab twice before, long before he got caught and it became public so your condemnation is a bit off.
He also apparently has not condemned drug use since 1995. I would guess once he himself became addicted he stfu about it.
There is plenty to bash Limbaugh about so get the facts straight first or otherwise people who do know them will disregard what you have to say.
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#41 2003-12-05 12:33 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

The point is, he knows what he did is wrong, and because he knows it is wrong, he is getting help for it.

Why should he be less harsh on people that are drug addicts?  He knows if they want to quit, they would ask for help... he is doing it, and is stronger than most for doing so.

Cyberpawz

No, the point is that people like Rush feel that when someone admits, "I have a drug problem", that that person should be arrested and tossed in jail to serve harsh sentences for possessing illegal drugs.  Maybe if ordinary people could admit they have a problem and get help without facing stiff penalties, they would.  But people like Rush and their rather spiteful (well formerly spiteful) rhetoric do not encourage people to be open and honest, but rather to keep their skeletons hidden in the closet.

If Rush had any ounce of integrity, he would march down to the police station, admit he broke the law and turn himself in.  Asking for any sort of mercy or sympathy for having a very thorough investigation about drugs (police completely ransack a place if they have a drug search warrant) is just plain hypocritical.

Oh yes, and a nice, humble, "I was wrong, I didn't understand, and I'm sorry" wouldn't hurt either.

Can you back up what you just stated?

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#42 2003-12-05 12:36 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!


The point is, he knows what he did is wrong, and because he knows it is wrong, he is getting help for it.

Why should he be less harsh on people that are drug addicts?  He knows if they want to quit, they would ask for help... he is doing it, and is stronger than most for doing so.

Cyberpawz

If he knew it was so wrong why would he wait until he got caught before seeking help?

I certainly could see your point of view had he went into rehab on his own terms however that was not the case, he waited until after he got caught.  He really din't have much of a choice in the matter,  the jig was up and his suppy of drugs was cut off.

Actually, he apparently has already been in rehab twice before, long before he got caught and it became public so your condemnation is a bit off.
He also apparently has not condemned drug use since 1995. I would guess once he himself became addicted he stfu about it.
There is plenty to bash Limbaugh about so get the facts straight first or otherwise people who do know them will disregard what you have to say.
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I stand by what I say, then yes I say he should be tried for the crime...

Cross me once, I may forgive, cross me twice and never again. The same should be allowed for rehab options...do it once, we can forgive, do it twice, and then you are to be tried for the crime.

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#43 2003-12-05 12:49 pm

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Actually, he apparently has already been in rehab twice before, long before he got caught and it became public so your condemnation is a bit off.
He also apparently has not condemned drug use since 1995. I would guess once he himself became addicted he stfu about it.
There is plenty to bash Limbaugh about so get the facts straight first or otherwise people who do know them will disregard what you have to say.
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When dealing with those sorts of drugs doctors pretty much require the patient to go into rehab after the prescription ends.  Oxycotin is about at par with heroine except the


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#44 2003-12-05 12:51 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

He also apparently has not condemned drug use since 1995. I would guess once he himself became addicted he stfu about it.
There is plenty to bash Limbaugh about so get the facts straight first or otherwise people who do know them will disregard what you have to say.
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I have be wondering about this argument.  I came the conclusion that he is still a hypocrite.  I came up with this hypothetical example: if one week I ranted on and on about how drink driving was terrible and those who do it should be 'sent to live in Europe' (reference to something Limbaugh said about drug users) and then the next week I was arrested for DUI it would still be hypocrisy - it couldn't really be suggested that it wasn't by saying 'well you know, he didn't rip on drunk driving since last week'

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#45 2003-12-05 12:53 pm

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Actually, he apparently has already been in rehab twice before, long before he got caught and it became public so your condemnation is a bit off.
He also apparently has not condemned drug use since 1995. I would guess once he himself became addicted he stfu about it.
There is plenty to bash Limbaugh about so get the facts straight first or otherwise people who do know them will disregard what you have to say.
wink

When dealing with those sorts of drugs doctors pretty much require the patient to go into rehab after the prescription ends.  Oxycotin is about at par with heroine except the


I was so depressed last night thinking about the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Suicide Lifeline. I got a call center in Pakistan, and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.

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#46 2003-12-05 1:02 pm

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If the news sources are correct, he did the coma/flush out system route twice. Without after council and support programs it's not surprising it failed.

Isn't that like saying that someone should be held to a different standard after drinking coffee to "solber them up" then one that hasn't when caught for a DUI? 

By going into detox at least once by his own free will it was obvious he knew he had a problem.  Just as coffee won


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#47 2003-12-05 1:10 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

Can you back up what you just stated?

Cyberpawz

Well, quotes from his show calling for stiff penalties for drug use have already been posted earlier in this thread, so I won't take up more space re-posting them.

The rest is my opinion.  Rush needs to apologize for being so cold and showing little or no compassion.  If it can happen to someone like him, it can happen to a lot of people.  Perhaps he may want to rescind some of the harsh comments he's made and maybe show us some real compassionate conservatism.

If he sticks to his guns, well as a person who now can be labelled a "drug addict" and hence a criminal, he should admit he broke the law.  In the spirit of calling for higher penalties for "junkies" such as himself, he should not ask the court for mercy, but rather the maximum penalty under the law.  If he does not do this, then he is basically saying that the law should apply differently to him - hardly fair.

I don't see how we should become coddling, enabling, bleeding hearts for Rush - he doesn't expect it for anyone else.

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#48 2003-12-05 4:01 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

He also apparently has not condemned drug use since 1995. I would guess once he himself became addicted he stfu about it.
There is plenty to bash Limbaugh about so get the facts straight first or otherwise people who do know them will disregard what you have to say.
wink

I have be wondering about this argument.  I came the conclusion that he is still a hypocrite.  I came up with this hypothetical example: if one week I ranted on and on about how drink driving was terrible and those who do it should be 'sent to live in Europe' (reference to something Limbaugh said about drug users) and then the next week I was arrested for DUI it would still be hypocrisy - it couldn't really be suggested that it wasn't by saying 'well you know, he didn't rip on drunk driving since last week'

I have heard him state that he never ever makes an error on his show.  That seems to be an endorsement of everything he has said, no matter how old.


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#49 2003-12-05 4:12 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

8 year old statements just seem to be a bit of a stretch on the hypocrisy call.


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#50 2003-12-05 4:20 pm

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Re: Limbaugh: I'm a victim!

8 year old statements just seem to be a bit of a stretch on the hypocrisy call.

- he never reversed himself, he just shut up
- he shut up when he started being a junkie


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