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ear, levi is at 1280X960 

and was that 3DMark 03 or 01 ??

In case anyone cares, my 3DMark score went from ~2100 to ~2700
All of that o/cing is without unlocking the processor, too (12.5x multiplier is the highest it will go without doing so).

Ear, you seem a mite confused on the OC thing... your Barton is already unlocked, or you wouldn't be able to set other than the native 11x multi.
They recently started locking them.  

...which made me make an unscheduled 'emergency' order. Lucked out; sold my good early 2500+ and used $ to amortize emergency buy, getting an AQXEA 0331- one of the last and best of the unlocked breed. Should be good for 2.3- 2.4GHz on top-Q air, but I'm running it at a conservative 2.0 presently, awaiting time to install my Peltier kit and shooting for a good, stable 2.5.

Levi, did UT autoconfig itself to Ultrahigh detail? It normally does that only with 256M vidcards... and have you guys (Ear and Levi) enabled TruForm?

ear, levi is at 1280X960
and was that 3DMark 03 or 01 ??

Oopsie.

I know, that's why I said "I can't go any higher on the resolution, so I don't know if bumping it up one notch would drop the frames that much"

03, but even though nVidia cheated on it, comparing between ATi cards and my before and after overclock should be fairly accurate.

Run the latest patch (0340?) and disable any vendor-specific app-recognition. Yes, it should be; yes- how could it be '01? the score would be more in the 12,000+ range; and yes, going 1280x960 would likely drop f/s quite a bit.

Recent 1024x768 performance

Levi's OCed card would be beyond the 9800XT, tho the platform might not be up to the FX-51 used.

(Dammit, Levi, now you've got me considering a TEC waterblock for my 9800 Pro... and I don't have a pump, radiator or any other watercooling gear!)

TruForm. It's ATi's HOS (Higher-Order Surface) implementation; tesselates poly counts up in the card and forms them into Bezier curves, etc. to really smooth shapes out.

UT '03 moves too fast to really appreciate it in action; sort of subliminal unless you take screens- then it's very obvious.

My prayers were answered and TF support was added to Unreal 2 in the XMP addition; the new rerelease should have a unified install that adds it to the whole game. That should take it to a new level, and it already had the highest poly count I know of- >10x U'03. Game has plenty of slow sections to ogle amazing graphics, unlike UT.

.Ini file edit- IIRC under the D3D section, set TruForm=True.

Current settings and new benchmarks:

P4 @ 3.33Ghz
9800 Pro core:451.8, Memory 361.8 (723.6)
These settings are the most stable without graphic artifacts. I've run the card at a core of 459 but after a couple hours of play I start to get textures that wig out. Start blinking and not displaying correctly.

1280X960 @ 200 refresh
Flyby: 105.488541
Bot Match: 64.182755

1024X768 @ 200 refresh
Flyby: 150.006683
Bot Match: 76.294495

All detail set to highest, all boxes check except blob shadows. In the ATI CP I am running AA/AF at 2X.

I'm starting the 3DMark2003 DL now...180mb..ouch

Ear bump your Karma to high and see how it affects fps, please. Kinda wondering if my card is really being o/ced or not. I did switch utilites, went from Rage3D to RadLinker/RadClocker from Guru3d. Maybe I'll uninstall and try Rage3D again to see what happens.

My UT2K3.ini Direct3D settings:
[D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice]
DetailTextures=True
HighDetailActors=True
SuperHighDetailActors=True
UsePrecaching=True
UseTrilinear=True
AdapterNumber=-1
ReduceMouseLag=True
UseTripleBuffering=True
UseHardwareTL=True
UseHardwareVS=True
UseCubemaps=True
DesiredRefreshRate=200
UseCompressedLightmaps=False
UseStencil=False
Use16bit=False
Use16bitTextures=False
MaxPixelShaderVersion=255
UseVSync=True
LevelOfAnisotropy=2
DetailTexMipBias=0.800000
DefaultTexMipBias=-0.500000
UseNPatches=False
TesselationFactor=1.000000
CheckForOverflow=False
AvoidHitches=False
OverrideDesktopRefreshRate=False
DecompressTextures=False
UseXBoxFSAA=False
TerrainLOD=0
SkyboxHack=False
LowQualityTerrain=False

Quick post.

Odin basically right about mobo thing. Issue is most makers use a 4-bit FID, so if low value=5x, top (selectable) value is 12.5x. Multi setting in chip can allow remapping/reuse of multi table, so e.g. a 2400+ runs a 133FSB, 15x multi- but right mobo can override since all but last 2400+s were unlocked. 10x200 makes a much better CPU, tho you need DDR400 for desirable synchronous mode.

Recent Abit and a few Soltek boards use a 5-bit FID, so can select 5x-22.5x (since Abit is capitalizing/branding on 'Max' now, 5-bit FID [Frequency Identifier] feature now called 'MaxFID').

There's a bit more to it on the fiddly esoteric end of it, but that's the basic 411. A locked-multi CPU is like an Intel from '98 or later- no way to set other than what is set internally. OCing has to come via FSB. Apparently AMD has gone to that for all but the FX series; and no chip is locked at its advertised speed.

Current settings and new benchmarks:

P4 @ 3.33Ghz
9800 Pro core:451.8, Memory 361.8 (723.6)
These settings are the most stable without graphic artifacts. I've run the card at a core of 459 but after a couple hours of play I start to get textures that wig out. Start blinking and not displaying correctly.

1280X960 @ 200 refresh
Flyby: 105.488541
Bot Match: 64.182755

1024X768 @ 200 refresh
Flyby: 150.006683
Bot Match: 76.294495

All detail set to highest, all boxes check except blob shadows. In the ATI CP I am running AA/AF at 2X.

Welp some changes here...
I am now running AA @ 2X and AF @ 8X...which is what it turned into when I switched from the slider to custom settings.

I removed the other o/c app and reinstalled Rage3D & I've added the truform=true to the ini. Things didn't change much.

1280X960
Fly 105.6
Bot 64.22

1600X1200
Fly 71.7
Bot 46.28

I use OGL for UT99, D3D for UT03.
I would be interested in that TF thing for 99...

Levi, I spaced on Truform. It varies for D3D and OGL; here set

UseNPatches=True

...to enable TruForm. Equivalent OpenGL term is PN Triangles.

A few folks have worked up TruForm renderers for UT (original) and Deus Ex. (UT can also have the compressed textures on CD#2 enabled via modifed OpenGL .ini settings).

Now I'm confussed...I'm using D3D.
Do I use truform=true or UseNPatches=true

Current I have truform=true under D3D heading.

Speaking of which...Ear and Bat are you guys using OGL or D3D?

I favor OGL for UT99 for the compressed texture support, D3D for '03 and U2. Changing

UseNPatches=False

to

UseNPatches=True

...enables TruForm. Forget the other; I spaced.

About

Aside from introducing some rendering glitches, the TruForm effect is surprisingly amusing to play with   
All the guns, ammo, health, and powerups are round and bulging, making the game look a little cartoony.
And, of course, the player models have like 6x as many polygons, but they aren't as funny looking as everything else is.

...TF does take a bit of developer support to get right, so that things you want to stay sharp or square do. Not a lot, but some.

New marks after messing around a bit.

Yet again I've tweak the Radeon. Now I'm happy.
Core 451 Mem 405

3DMark03 score of 4267 (before radeon tweak)
3DMark03 score of 4469 (after radeon tweak)
The 3DMark software is in "Demo" so I can't mess with the default settings.

UT2K3 Marks (After radeon tweak)
1280X960
Flyby: 124.344
Bot: 72.728

1024X768
Flyby:176.752
Bot: 77.226

i get a 3DMark03 score of 3642

AMD 2500+
Radeon 9500 Pro 128mb

notting OC'd

Well then if that is the case. What the hell am I doing wrong? I wonder if it's the fact that I can't tweak my mobo's memory settings or FSB.

Okay one thing, why do you need to se inside your tower and why the hell do you need lights???? Whats the meaning with that???

Are you telling me that you can't see the electrons flowing!?!

I thoroughly enjoy watching all my electrons, the ones, the zeros, and the binary octets all flowing in and out like the ebbing tide on a full moon night. Kids these days can