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#26 2004-01-12 6:02 am

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Re: Local Businesses

If the chain is significantly cheaper, I'm there (unless I have a specific reason I avoid them, as I do for Wallmart and one of the 2 McDonalds in my home town).

If prices are comparable, then it depends completely on outside factors. I get my hair cut by the same Vietnamese woman I have since she opened the shop 6 years ago. She's now the 2nd cheapest in town (new chain store), but I still go there for the friendly people I have a relationship with (I love that I just sit and she starts cutting).
I'll go wherever is more convenient during a trip, or if making a special trip wherever is closer.
However, if every other factor is equal, I will pick the small shop. I tend to develop odd strong preferences for certain places though.  shrug

The biggest exception is Starbucks. I love the chain, I go there often, I will ALWAYS pick the Starbucks of a town (though I tend to have a favorite within a city), and I just feel I have a great relationship with the chain. Convenience of my Starbucks card aside, nobody has coffee quite as good as the Verona, espresso that makes such a good latte, or a Chai Frappacino that tastes quite so good.


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#27 2004-01-12 6:06 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

I would take a small shop over a chain anyday, they are a lot more personable, and usually know what they are talking about.  I have been known to drive further, spend more money, and wait for something to be ordered rather than buy off the shelf to support a local shop.  Unfortunately the rest of the world does not agree, they give in to the chains and their hype.  They can be decieveing too I've noticed, all the chains around here sell cd's for around $20 while the local shop I go to (which is sadly closing) sells them for around $10.  People never go there though and they all just assume.  Too bad.

Good luck to your wife and her store.

I find that most people who have their own business are more sympathetic and apt to shop at small businesses. I am. People do give in though to the hype. Had a guy come in Friday who told me he bought a ventless gas stove really cheap out of state because when he came into my store earlier we didn't have 'em. He proceeded to ask me if this stove he bought would be covered under his homeowner's insurance.  confused

I wondered what part of "no we don't sell those things because they are banned in this state and most other states because they are dangerous" he failed to pick up on? He ALSO wanted to know if we sold a device that would vent 'the bad smell it made' http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/maxes/maxes2/slapmax.gif

I strongly suggested that he go visit the local building department  and  invest in a hard wired carbon monoxide detector, but I secretly hoped he doesn't. twisted

Too many people buy something at a chain, then come into my store and ask me how to operate it, fix it, or provide a replacement for less than it cost them because a) they bought the wrong thing, b) it doesn't work as advertised, or - my personal favorite -  c) it broke already, it is less than a year old, the store won't honor the warranty, and the manufacturer is MIA.

I'm sure Phydeaux can sympathize.

Except for WalMart and a couple others with nefarious business practices, I'm not anti chain store, or online/mail order, just don't expect customer service from someone you don't do business with.

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#28 2004-01-12 6:37 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

Yes yet another Poll topic.

My wife works at a small bookstore and they do an ok amount of business but lately they have been going into the red. She is concerned that they will close and she will have to work at another chain retail store which she does not want to do. We also eat at a Mediterranean resturaunt about twice a week and we are on a first name basis with the owners.

There is nothing like a locally owned bookstore!  Here in the Boston area, we are blessed with a funky place called the "New England Mobile Bookfair".  It's not mobile at all. It's in an aging warehouse on Needham Street in Newton.  Lots of good stuff here.  You can spend hours just wandering. You never know what you might find in the remainders section.
It's owned and run by the Stremich (spelling probably wrong) family. Their staff is helpful, and "funky".  Some have worked there for more than 25 years.

Not too far from that is Newtonville books. Small, run by a guy who has worked for some newspapers. He frequently has local authors reading one or two nights per week.

The answer to your question is yes, I support both shops.

Sad news: The local bookstore is fading from the landscape, unable to compete with "the big guns", such as Barnes and Noble, and Waldenbooks.

There used to be a small chain called "Lauriat's Books", but they faded when Barnes and Noble started opening their super shops.

Anyone remember "Paperback Booksmith"?


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#29 2004-01-12 10:15 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

There used to be a small chain called "Lauriat's Books", but they faded when Barnes and Noble started opening their super shops.

Anyone remember "Paperback Booksmith"?

I remember both of those from when I grew up in New Hampshire.

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#30 2004-01-13 1:34 am

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Re: Local Businesses

I used to use local bookstores... but to be honest I rarely browse. I go in for a specific book, which they never seem to have and can rarely order.


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#31 2004-01-13 1:35 am

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Re: Local Businesses

I'm sure Phydeaux can sympathize.

Yes... he... can.

Did he mention that he actually told two elderly ladies who owned a real estate company to go to his competitors? That was painful.


Spirit was crushed; now is fading, But I want to help make things right.
Because I can see and I can feel, and you can see and you can feel
So why don't we both either stand up and fight
Or at least together we'll call it a night.

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#32 2004-01-13 2:52 am

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Re: Local Businesses

I'm sure Phydeaux can sympathize.

Yes... he... can.

Did he mention that he actually told two elderly ladies who owned a real estate company to go to his competitors? That was painful.

I remember that story.  neutral

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#33 2004-01-13 10:48 am

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Re: Local Businesses

I'm sure Phydeaux can sympathize.

Yes... he... can.

Did he mention that he actually told two elderly ladies who owned a real estate company to go to his competitors? That was painful.

I remember that story.  neutral

Done it myself. Depending on how I feel about the customer:

If they are previous customers and I simply cannot help them out with their problem, I send them to the nice competitor in thown who probably can.
If they are pains in the butt like I described previously, I send them to the jerk up the street, or just tell them I can't help them and don't know can - which is true in a way, some people just can't be helped or pleased.

It hurts for a moment, but the good ones appreciate the fact that I'm not afraid to send them to the 'good' competitor, and usually come back for return business. The baddies stay away - no grief there.

Regarding bookstores. I seem to remember that a wholesalers-only web site was up a couple years ago so that independent booksellers could buy co-op style, and get their stock at the same prices as the big chains, and also get hard to find stuff. It seemed like an excellent resolution to their problem at the time.

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#34 2004-01-13 11:33 am

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Re: Local Businesses

The local electronics stores almost always price-match the big box stores, so I go to them to buy my toys. 

But alas, there is something very convenient about walking into a multi-thousand square foot building to complete the week's (or month's) shopping in one place...


"I'd rather be told, 'Have a nice day.' by someone who doesn't mean it, than 'F*** you!' by someone who does." - Lewis Black

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#35 2004-01-13 12:49 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

I'm sure Phydeaux can sympathize.

Yes... he... can.

Did he mention that he actually told two elderly ladies who owned a real estate company to go to his competitors? That was painful.

I remember that story.  neutral

No, no; this is a new one. The one in the Rant Room has to do about the lady who lied about calling Gateway and having them check her computer over the phone lines to verify that we didn't fix some issue.

The real estate ladies had an issue with their printer, so I sent Nathan to fix it, and he did, but they called me three days later and said the issue wasn't resolved and that they wanted a free service call, asap, by myself personally.

Long story short, I couldn't do it, next day Nathan calls to try to get the issue resolved and she tells him that she's not going to be doing any further business with us, and returns the repair invoice (for $80 [big service call, they do business an hour away]) with only $20.

But then I faxed her our agreement for the website we were contracted to do. Invalidating the contract on her part (that "not doing any business with you anymore") resulted in us eating her $300 deposit. So that's the good news, I guess. We were looking at larger sums of money due to daily updates, recommendations to clients for wiring households with network cable, etc, but oh well.

And good riddance.


Spirit was crushed; now is fading, But I want to help make things right.
Because I can see and I can feel, and you can see and you can feel
So why don't we both either stand up and fight
Or at least together we'll call it a night.

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#36 2004-01-13 1:06 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

The local electronics stores almost always price-match the big box stores, so I go to them to buy my toys. 

But alas, there is something very convenient about walking into a multi-thousand square foot building to complete the week's (or month's) shopping in one place...

Some things we can compete with like pool chemicals: People find out that for a dollar more, they can buy chems from us that last twice as long because ours are stabilized and have no fillers. And we do free water testing.
Spas on the other hand are a different story: Jacuzzi licensed their brand name to an el cheapo company that makes spas for chains like Home Depot. Naturally, someone who is comparison shopping is going to think they are getting a "Jacuzzi" spa for $1000 less than a comparable spa from us. Trouble is, once the spa is purchased, there is no turning back for them. No one installs it for them unless they can find another spa company to do it (Please install this spa we bought somehere else). They have to hire outside people to run the electric, even though there is a warranty, there is no repair center (because they didn't buy their spa from an 'authorized' dealer), and worn out components are meant to be thrown away (costing them $100s)and replaced, instead of simple $20 repairs for things like shaft seals. Alot of things go wrong for them because no one showed them how to operate it or was there to answer questions the first few weeks they had it.The list goes on, but http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/maxes/maxes2/longpostmaxfinal.gif ...
Ultimately, they are stuck with a crummy product, and we don't profit from that situation, either. I just wish people weren't so inclined to be lead around by the nose.

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#37 2004-01-13 1:12 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

I just wish people weren't so inclined to be lead around by the nose.

We have the same issue with people and their Wal-Mart HPs. roll


Spirit was crushed; now is fading, But I want to help make things right.
Because I can see and I can feel, and you can see and you can feel
So why don't we both either stand up and fight
Or at least together we'll call it a night.

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#38 2004-01-13 1:17 pm

mtpalms
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Re: Local Businesses

The real estate ladies had an issue... And good riddance.

http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/maxes/maxes3/applause.gif

What is it about real estate people? 50% are reasonable, but 50% always call 3 days before escrow closes and want a job estimated, approved, done, and finaled by building and safety. Like we exist only at their whim.
Of course that 50% are probably the ones who weren't good at anything else, so they got their realtor's license and...

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#39 2004-01-13 1:18 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

I just wish people weren't so inclined to be lead around by the nose.

We have the same issue with people and their Wal-Mart HPs. roll

We have the same issue with people and their Wal-Mart inflatable donut pools. roll

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#40 2004-01-13 1:21 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

I just wish people weren't so inclined to be lead around by the nose.

We have the same issue with people and their Wal-Mart HPs. roll

We have the same issue with people and their Wal-Mart inflatable donut pools. roll

You've got to be kidding me.


Spirit was crushed; now is fading, But I want to help make things right.
Because I can see and I can feel, and you can see and you can feel
So why don't we both either stand up and fight
Or at least together we'll call it a night.

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#41 2004-01-13 1:51 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

Oh, I buy stuff online (eBay) often, too.  Things like cables that can be bought direct from Hong Kong for significant savings...

A 3 foot optical monster cable for $40 CDN??  HA!  I'll buy one from China for $15 that's just as good, if not better.  Mmmm, woven nylon jacketed 7mm thick optical cables...   big_smile


To get back on subject, my dad is a painting contractor with a full "master" certification in painting and wallpapering.  He gets really pissed when some shmoe buys a few buckets of paint, a paintbrush and a how-to book and thinks they can do just as good a job as he can...  Same thing for those college painting companies.  In an effort to save a few bucks, people will accept inferior quality, bad customer service and all sorts of other nuisances.  Ah well.  sad


"I'd rather be told, 'Have a nice day.' by someone who doesn't mean it, than 'F*** you!' by someone who does." - Lewis Black

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#42 2004-01-13 2:12 pm

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Re: Local Businesses

Because I am an integral part of a small, locally owned business, I try to shop at them all the time.  Sadly, when I need a new spindle of CDs to burn I am forced to go to a chain store like Best Buy.  But, since I'm from Minnesota, buying from Best Buy is still buying locally. big_smile


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#43 2004-01-13 2:39 pm

mtpalms
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Re: Local Businesses

I just wish people weren't so inclined to be lead around by the nose.

We have the same issue with people and their Wal-Mart HPs. roll

We have the same issue with people and their Wal-Mart inflatable donut pools. roll

You've got to be kidding me.

Not the wading pools. These with the inflatable ring around the top: http://www.intexcorp.com/products/agp/default.htm

Unlike the ones we get from Intex, the chain store versions are cheaper, and also underfiltered and underpowered, but customers expect us be able to make them 'work'. At no extra cost, natch. We no longer carry that brand, because the average consumer can't understand why the pool we sell is better than the one WalMart sells, and I suspect you have the same dilemma with the HP printers. They were a good little backyard pool for us to sell until WalMart and their nefarious tactics jumped in. 2 years ago Intex insisted to us and our distributor that they would NEVER undersell to the chains. 2 months later, people would see our pools and tell us (quite smugly, I assure you) that they got 'the exact same'  at Wally World for 20% less. Then they were getting them for the price we got wholesale!

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