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sorry-- don't believe in angels.

sorry --; don't believe in angels.

tito

I saw a Vorlon once that looked like an angel.  But I don't think sci-fi is the tradition to which you're referring.

You're assuming everyone here believes in god.

Am not.

I've seen nary a shred of empirical evidence that angels are real.

On the other hand, the moon and sun are real and have both profound and subtle influences over us. I consider them to be much more suitable objects of veneration.

The chair you're sitting in should even be more important to you than any notions of angels, for it is in fact real.

I acknowledge that many people see the hidden hand of god in everything they don't understand. I consider it to be an intellectual cop-out. It's a simple solution for simple minds. To such people, mysteries become miracles, like these levitating rocks in India. I don't see a miracle. I see an unexplained phenomenon.

You see "unexplained phenomenon" only because you're thinking is wrong. A miracle is, by definition, a phenomenon that is unexplained except through supernatural cause. Just because you see something "miraculous" doesn't mean it didn't happen. Similarly, if someone else reports a miraculous experience, we don't have a scientific right to immediately discredit that person's testimony. That discreditation seems to occur because "things like that just don't happen." That's stupid, because there was a time that people said man would never create a flying machine, or that it was unthinkable that the earth could be round.

So, unless evidence to the contrary is presented, we have to give some credit to people who report their miraculous experiences. Many times, the evidence to the contrary is greed or delusions, but that's the way things are.

I mean, imagine that God does exist. Would it be so unreasonable to think, given the previous premise, that this God would occasionally break or bend the laws of nature? Absolutely not. That's the "hidden hand of God" you refer to, and it's not as illogical as you suppose.

But what you say at the beginning does make sense: You've seen nary a shred of evidence angels are real. That's a good way to look at it. If you really care (I rarely even consider angels, and their activity has no bearing on my life that I could discern, and I've never seen one), then you should look into what others have to say. Do they have evidence? Are they credible witnesses?

And I do believe in angels...

So do I, but only when they had Reggie.

ph33r