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As I understand it, your computer would run perfectly without Quicktime. it is not needed and can be un-installed without a hitch.

Big deal. You can not use WMP and be fine.

Now, if they could successfully enforce MS to ship windows minus Interweb Explorer... that would be something...

I got a virus through an IE exploit, and I use FireFox exclusively except Windows updates!!

-Tim

I think that the media in question right now, is MP3. Everyone is listening to MP3s, and most (and I kid you not, most) people use the default player for that - Windows Media Player. Although it's gotten a lot better since 7.0, it's still not as good as player like WinAmp or iTunes.

-Tim

Exactly, which is why I think it's wrong to have them remove WMP. It's like having Apple to remove QuickTime or iTunes.

On Windows if you attempt to delete WMP and/or IE you will run into serious problems. That's what the issue is. If you use Windows, you do not have a choice on whether or not you have Internet Explorer on your computer.

But as long as you can use other software as your default, what's the big deal with it being there?

You're the one who don't see the point. As far as I'm concerned, MS can have any kind of software they want bundled with Windows as long as it's not tied up to the OS and it doesn't stop people from completely ignoring the built in apps and using third party software instead.

Not having the QuickTime codec also messes up iTunes which is why Apple included QuickTime in every copy of iTunes for Windows.

Real brought this suite pleading to the courts that consumers aren't using their player because MS practically locked the consumers from using Real's alternative. I don't hear Apple crowing about being locked out.

Oh yeah and this thread is about WMP being removed from shrink-wrapped copies of Windows, not IE. The integration of a web browser to an OS is completely unecessary but I don't mind IE being there as long as it's as separate to Windows as Safari is to the Mac OS.

As much as I generaly favour anything that goes against MicroSoft this case is just flat out stupid.
The success of iTunes for Windows and the amazingly rapid increase in the use of FireFox on Windows shows that when presented with a solidly competitive, compelling alternative people will opt for 3rd party applications on Windows, dispite the fact that MS bundles competeing products.
The reason Real has had such a bad time getting popular on Windows (or on the Mac for that matter) is the simple fact that they suck.
Their player sucks, it has always sucked and probly always will. Add to that the fact that the way they have their website set-up makes finding the free version of their player a true chore and you have all you need to explain why they are floundering in what is a rapidly growing market area.
If they made a good product people would choose Real, since they dont they are resorting to legal tactics to stave off the day when they are finally put out of our misery.

Uh, Apple testified in court during the anti trust trial that Microsoft was trying to bully them into killing QuickTime for Windows.

Microsoft is a monopoly using its position as said monopoly to give their media player leverage over others available, the same as they do with web browsers.

Apple is not a monopoly and does not design their systems in the same manner as Microsoft.

That is the difference.

Microsoft is a monopoly using its position as said monopoly to give their media player leverage over others available, the same as they do with web browsers.

Apple is not a monopoly and does not design their systems in the same manner as Microsoft.

That is the difference.

That is no reason to disinclude a piece of software. All the court needed to do was to order MS to make them less dependent on each other, giving equal chance for other software to be used, which is what Apple does with its software packages.

Microsoft is a monopoly using its position as said monopoly to give their media player leverage over others available, the same as they do with web browsers.

Apple is not a monopoly and does not design their systems in the same manner as Microsoft.

That is the difference.

That is no reason to disinclude a piece of software. All the court needed to do was to order MS to make them less dependent on each other, giving equal chance for other software to be used, which is what Apple does with its software packages.

I don't think that's enough really. For the average user, they are gonna stick with what they know, and in this case it means Microsoft's Media Player. It's all well making the media player and the OS less dependent on each other, but do you honestly think that average users are gonna then delete the MS player, and install, say Real or QT? (This isn't meant to be a dig, BTW). Perfect competition (admittedly, it's a theory) needs consumers to have knowledge of all the products, and I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon in this market.

Microsoft is a monopoly using its position as said monopoly to give their media player leverage over others available, the same as they do with web browsers.

Apple is not a monopoly and does not design their systems in the same manner as Microsoft.

That is the difference.

That is no reason to disinclude a piece of software. All the court needed to do was to order MS to make them less dependent on each other, giving equal chance for other software to be used, which is what Apple does with its software packages.

I don't think that's enough really. For the average user, they are gonna stick with what they know, and in this case it means Microsoft's Media Player. It's all well making the media player and the OS less dependent on each other, but do you honestly think that average users are gonna then delete the MS player, and install, say Real or QT? (This isn't meant to be a dig, BTW). Perfect competition (admittedly, it's a theory) needs consumers to have knowledge of all the products, and I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon in this market.

iam usin wmp  because of divx plugins and bloody quick time cant play almost anything