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#1 2005-02-14 11:26 pm
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Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
From: American Association of Suicidology
SAMHSA Behavior Unacceptable
Dear Suicidology Colleagues wrote:
You should know that the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), through the Suicide Prevention Resource Center (SPRC), has pressured us into changing our workshop title and descriptor at the SPRC regional conference coming to Portland, Oregon, Feb. 28-March 2. The original title of the workshop was "Suicide Prevention Among Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender Individuals".
We were informed by SPRC that unless the words "gay", "lesbian", "bisexual", and "transgender" were removed from the workshop title and descriptor, SAMHSA Administrator, Charles Curie, would not be allowed to attend the conference.
We worked with SPRC to find alternative language for a title and workshop descriptor so that the workshop could continue to be offered and Mr. Curie would be allowed to attend. The new title is "Suicide Prevention in Vulnerable Populations". It's important to note that the term "sexual orientation" was deemed acceptable for the workshop descriptor but not the term "gender identity". We are glad that the workshop will continue to be offered but we are deeply concerned about the oppressive and discriminatory stance taken by SAMHSA and the Bush administration with regard to this workshop.
Two previous SPRC regional conferences included workshops that used the dreaded GLBT words. What changed?
We find this behavior on the part of our government intolerable and hope you do too. We have been timid about speaking out for fear that suicide prevention funding would be jeopardized but failure to do so sends a dangerous message of complicity to the decision-makers in government who are responsible for this situation.
We ask that you and the organizations you belong to join us in expressing concern to Mr. Curie and others in government who have the power to end this shameful marginalization of an already marginalized at-risk population. All Americans deserve to be recognized and treated respectfully by their government.
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A few years ago, the feds declared (in Science magazine, April, 2001, maybe) that no research containing the words lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, prostitute, or abortion would be funded by NIH or any other federally sponsored program. The email message below does not surprise me, but the three suicides of LGBT undergrads at UCLA this past November broke my heart. This policy is unconscionable...
My husband received this in e-mail today. What's next?
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#2 2005-02-14 11:27 pm
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I get lots of things in my e-mail.
There are two kinds of people who keep rattlesnakes.
Those who have been bit, and those who will be bit. - Al Wolf.
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#3 2005-02-14 11:28 pm
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Is this an example of "compassionate conservatism"? People are killing themselves, and mental health experts aren't allowed to refer to them as a group.
there's really no need for all of this
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#4 2005-02-14 11:29 pm
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resedit wrote:
I get lots of things in my e-mail.
Kids are killing themselves. Worrying about the Rapture and Leviticus doesn't help that problem.
there's really no need for all of this
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#5 2005-02-14 11:30 pm
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"don't exist???" ha ha
yeah, right
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#6 2005-02-14 11:36 pm
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Sex research has been under a chill since Bush took over. Researchers have to disguise studies because they fear their funding will be pulled.
That's bad, but this is much much worse.
there's really no need for all of this
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#7 2005-02-14 11:38 pm
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XYZ wrote:
resedit wrote:
I get lots of things in my e-mail.
Kids are killing themselves. Worrying about the Rapture and Leviticus doesn't help that problem.
Though a nice, safe youth center might.
Spirit was crushed; now is fading, But I want to help make things right.
Because I can see and I can feel, and you can see and you can feel
So why don't we both either stand up and fight
Or at least together we'll call it a night.
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#8 2005-02-14 11:45 pm
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Phydeaux wrote:
XYZ wrote:
resedit wrote:
I get lots of things in my e-mail.
Kids are killing themselves. Worrying about the Rapture and Leviticus doesn't help that problem.
Though a nice, safe youth center might.
no no dear -- THOSE folks get arrested!
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#9 2005-02-14 11:50 pm
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
resedit wrote:
I get lots of things in my e-mail.
Point.....?
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
--Paul Krugman
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#10 2005-02-14 11:50 pm
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XYZ wrote:
Sex research has been under a chill since Bush took over. Researchers have to disguise studies because they fear their funding will be pulled.
According to one researcher, the 1950s were a lot better for sex research! Isn't that amazing?
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#11 2005-02-14 11:51 pm
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bedstuy wrote:
Phydeaux wrote:
XYZ wrote:
Kids are killing themselves. Worrying about the Rapture and Leviticus doesn't help that problem.Though a nice, safe youth center might.
no no dear -- THOSE folks get arrested!
smurfing skateboarders.
Spirit was crushed; now is fading, But I want to help make things right.
Because I can see and I can feel, and you can see and you can feel
So why don't we both either stand up and fight
Or at least together we'll call it a night.
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#12 2005-02-14 11:54 pm
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Contact Information for Government Officials:
Charles Curie
Office of the Administrator
SAMHSA
Rockville, MD 20850
Tel: 240-276-2000
charles.curie@samhsa.hhs.gov
Mike Leavitt
Secretary of Health and Human Services
200 Independence Ave. SW
Washington, DC 20201
Tel: 202-690-7000
Fax: 202-690-7203
Gordon Smith
Senator
404 Russell Bldg
Washington, DC 20510-3704
Tel: 202-224-3753
Fax: 202-228-3997
http://gsmith.senate.gov/webform.htm
George W. Bush
The President
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20500
Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
president@whitehouse.gov
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#13 2005-02-15 12:09 am
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ya know, post-modern sociology argues, as you often do XYZ, the gender roles are mostly constructions.
how would that be any less true of then "being homosexual"?
i don't think "homosexuality" makes a lick a sense, either has a thing to empower OR to discriminate against. ijust don't see how a sexual preference amounts to "being" something other than made up self-definiton or justification.
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#14 2005-02-15 12:13 am
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more or less wrote:
i don't think "homosexuality" makes a lick a sense, either has a thing to empower OR to discriminate against. ijust don't see how a sexual preference amounts to "being" something other than made up self-definiton or justification.
Apparently, it does. People who are discriminated against are likely to feel they are part of group with others like them who are also discriminated against.
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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#15 2005-02-15 12:17 am
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i am not disputing the preferences OR the perceptions, just the objecitve obscurity of it. i guess i am saying that identity is more imposed by society upon the individual than it is true of the essential individual.
in other words, as you stated, if it was like ancient greece - who would care?
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#16 2005-02-15 12:49 am
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bratboy wrote:
resedit wrote:
I get lots of things in my e-mail.
Point.....?
That's actually is what I was wondering.
There are two kinds of people who keep rattlesnakes.
Those who have been bit, and those who will be bit. - Al Wolf.
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#17 2005-02-15 2:16 am
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Sounds like just a bunch of politics.
The important thing here is that GLBTs are getting the help they need, everything else is just a game of words.
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#18 2005-02-15 4:49 am
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
more or less wrote:
i am not disputing the preferences OR the perceptions, just the objecitve obscurity of it. i guess i am saying that identity is more imposed by society upon the individual than it is true of the essential individual.
in other words, as you stated, if it was like ancient greece - who would care?
I agree in principle, but I think that these imposed identities dissolve once equality is reached, not the other way around. I see advocating less forced group identity as a goal more than a means.
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."
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#20 2005-02-15 10:02 am
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
resedit wrote:
bratboy wrote:
resedit wrote:
I get lots of things in my e-mail.
Point.....?
That's actually is what I was wondering.
I'd imagine you might figure that out from reading the first post.
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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#21 2005-02-15 10:18 am
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XYZ wrote:
Contact info for Government Officials
Yeah... like that ever made any difference...
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#22 2005-02-15 10:34 am
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You know it will take president with guts to do what is right not guttless worm like GWB
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#23 2005-02-15 1:19 pm
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
ya know, post-modern sociology argues, as you often do XYZ, the gender roles are mostly constructions.
how would that be any less true of then "being homosexual"?
Gender and sexual orientation are not the same thing.
there's really no need for all of this
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#24 2005-02-15 1:19 pm
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American Psychological Association wrote:
Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality
What Is Sexual Orientation?
Sexual Orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual or affectional attraction to another person. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female) and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior).
Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only).
Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept. Persons may or may not express their sexual orientation in their behaviors.
What Causes a Person To Have a Particular Sexual Orientation?
There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation; most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality. In summary, it is important to recognize that there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation and the reasons may be different for different people.
Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?
No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.
Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?
No. Even though most homosexuals live successful, happy lives, some homosexual or bisexual people may seek to change their sexual orientation through therapy, sometimes pressured by the influence of family members or religious groups to try and do so. The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable.
However, not all gay, lesbian, and bisexual people who seek assistance from a mental health professional want to change their sexual orientation. Gay, lesbian, and bisexual people may seek psychological help with the coming out process or for strategies to deal with prejudice, but most go into therapy for the same reasons and life issues that bring straight people to mental health professionals.
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#25 2005-02-15 1:22 pm
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Re: Bush administration: Gay people don't exist
XYZ wrote:
ya know, post-modern sociology argues, as you often do XYZ, the gender roles are mostly constructions.
how would that be any less true of then "being homosexual"?Gender and sexual orientation are not the same thing.
He said they were comparable, not that they were the same thing.
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."
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