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#1 2003-01-29 3:00 pm

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Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Hey all. I know I haven't been around much lately because of my lack of internet access at home, but I am typing this today on a public internet terminal at my local library because I recently have become aware of a major social concern that affects us as teenagers.

The good news is this: teen pregnancy rates have been falling over the last few years, and recently reached the lowest point ever since 1976, according to a [URL=http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/releases/01news/trendpreg.htm]CDC report[/URL]. In addition, fewer and fewer teens are finding it necessary to seek abortions. In America and Canada, it appears we are making progress in these areas, and it is certainly attributable to effective sex-ed programs and teaching strategies, as well as a changing attitude among parents to inform their children about their sexuality.

But there are still problems in America. For example, it surprised me to read in the Wall Street Journal that teen pregnancy is still way more of a problem here than it is in other countries. The U.S. has one of the highest teen birth rates in the world, and is the undisputed leader among the world's developed nations.

This obviously means there is still work to do.

But recently, I have been reading in the news about the current administration's tactics attacking sex education in schools. Bush recently announced plans to budget huge amounts of funding to schools who only teach abstinence-only curricula. So what, you say? Well, it is a bigger deal than you may realize.

Actions like this threaten to derail all the progress we have made over the last few years in the battle against teen pregnancy. In order for schools to get the funding under Bush's plan, the teacher must not teach anything about or even mention condoms, except to highlight their "failure odds." Bush also wants no education of any sort in how to use condoms or any other form of contraception. Basically, he wants teens to be told that "abstinence is your only option."

While I agree with the fact that the only way to be completely, 100% safe in any sexual situation is to abstain from sexual activity, it is ridiculous that every single teen will make that choice. What we need to do is give students and teens access to information on all their options, and make informed decisions for themselves. (After all, they are going to make their own choice anyway, shouldn't they at least be able to make an informed, educated decision about it?)

There is another glaring fact that Bush seems to be ignoring. No scientifically-valid study has ever proven that "abstinence-only" sex-ed actually works. (And if you are a teenager like me, that should be a no-brainer.) Doesn't it make more sense to ONLY appropriate our tax dollars to schools that teach realistic and scientifically-accurate sex-ed? Apparently the White House doesn't think so. Go figure.

It scares me to think that the current all-time low teen birth rate is in danger of being demolished by Bush and his moralistic-yet-misdirected and misinformed opinions. Bush's current course will take us onto thin ice, and could have tragic consequences. Why can't we just keep things the way they are? They seemed to be working.

Anyway, I guess the point of this post was to gauge the reactions to this among my other teenage colleagues. I was lucky enough to have parents who educated me about my sexuality at an early age and gave me the facts. Unfortunately, not every child gets this opportunity from their parents, which is where school sex-ed programs step in, which originally were designed to give all students the facts about sex rather than to learn about sex on the playground from a demented fifth-grader.

Well, that's basically the current state of sex-ed. Kinda frightening now that it could be changed so drastically by misguided moralists, isn't it?


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#2 2003-01-29 3:26 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Kent, you are such a bright young man and a terrific writer.  This same subject is being discussed over in the Ministry of Free Thought, and no one there was able to get the message across in such an articulate manner.  Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us about this very important issue.

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#3 2003-01-29 3:37 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Thanks Mandie! smile

Yeah, the Ministry of Free Thought can be quite the turbulent place. Maybe Teens with Macs is destined to once-again be the place where issues are consistently discussed with thoughtfulness, respect, and maturity....who knows? wink


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#4 2003-01-29 3:44 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

I hope so too, W'rk....and maybe more people will speak out against it as more and more become aware of what Bush is trying to pull...

...though don't count on the media to give it too much attention--they seem to be far too busy sticking their heads in the sand--of the middle-east, that is! lol....


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#5 2003-01-29 4:28 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

[stupid humor] Well the best of both worlds, and the 100% perfect way to prevent pregnency is oral sex  cool [/stupid humor]

Schus, I'd like to also voice that that was a very well written post.

Anyway, at my school an 'Abstinence Only' program (idiotic though it is) would be an improvemnt seeing as we have no real Sex-Ed class.  We've been lucky to have (to my recolection) no pregnencies, but the current state of STDs here is anyone's guess.


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#6 2003-01-29 5:51 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Abstinence only works. Just look at Uganda and what has happened to the AIDS rates there. The failures of absitenence only education are pure myth.

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#7 2003-01-29 5:57 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

And they're a lot less entertaining.

There's nothing quite like med students from the local university explaining contraceptive use with a cucumber. :-)

Abstinence doesn't work... Men are by and large utter slime and women are usually too naive too realize it. At least untill they're pregnant... or worse.


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#8 2003-01-29 6:19 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Abstinence only works. Just look at Uganda and what has happened to the AIDS rates there. The failures of absitenence only education are pure myth.

Uganda has been very sucessful in lowering their AIDs problem do to abstinence,  this however should not be confused with Uganda only teachings abstinence.  As this is simply not the case President Museveni's campaign has included mandatory HIV testing as well the promotion of the use of condoms.

That said the situation is not the same at all.  In america most peoples don't even consider the treat of HIV, especially among high school students. I'm from Canada,  but it should be about the same, my biggest fear is getting some girl pregnant,  not sexually transmitted diseases, most of all HIV.  It is for this reason that while I think that promoting abstinence in North American should be sex educations primary focus,  but should also include other safe sex topics.   

Some might say thats that sex ed should be left to the parents.  To this I agree but at the same time disagree.  Parents should talk to their children about this,  but it shouldn't be assumed that parents will do a comprehensive job doing doing so.  Double and even triple coverage is very important when it comes to safety.

As for the Bush Administration,  I think its irresponsible to not teach other forms of sex ed other than abstinence.  I mean I have no problem making it the focus,  but it should not be the only thing. Its just putting special interests above the population.  Not that that isn't the common practice in politics.  (notice that I said politics  not republican politics,  so don't jump on my telling me "the Democrats blah blah blah ...")


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#9 2003-01-29 7:53 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Why the smurf is sex education in school anyway?  School is to teach you about math, english, science, etc.  Leave the rest to the parents.

Because a lot of parents DON'T talk about it.  (IE: Mine)

and then, when you have a school that doesn't (IE: Mine)

You wind up with kids who learn thhings the hands on way (IE: Me)

Now, those people who do things on their own can get lucky, or not.

How about this, I'll not say anything about the government not caring about sex-ed, or just doing the wrong thing if the Government also discontinues social security and/or Medicare/Medicaid.

Is that gonna happen?  I think not.  [edited-- because it was all  'grrrr' and stuff]

OK, I'm grumpy and I like using the return key. but, hey twisted


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#10 2003-01-29 7:55 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Why the booboo is sex education in school anyway?  School is to teach you about math, english, science, etc.  Leave the rest to the parents.

I think there are many parents who either don't know how to or don't want to approach their children about sex. Sex education in schools is a good way of reaching all kids. There are simply too many households where sex is not spoken of, so therefore the problem doesn't exist, yeah right.


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#11 2003-01-29 8:09 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

PaveHammer"]Because a lot of parents DON'T talk about it.  (IE: Mine)

Eh, I knew about sex long before my parents ever talked to me about it.  Anyway, teaching sex ed in school is just another way of allowing parents to shirk their duties.  Give the damn parents some responsibility back!

I think there are many parents who either don't know how to or don't want to approach their children about sex.

See above.

OK, we all know which bit goes where.  But the point of the classes is to teach you what you don't guess, figure out, get from friends/tv/movies


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#12 2003-01-29 8:15 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Kent! How nice to see you on the forums again! smile Now let me see if I can continue along my train of thought since I was interrupted by my physics class.

I must admit to having mixed feelings on this subject, mainly because I believe that sex is only for marriage. However, I fully realize that not everyone ascribes to this view. I also don't think it's necessarily a good thing that Bush is pushing one view above all others. I recall a quote from somewhere said (obviously) by someone, neither of which I can recall at the moment, anyway, the person basically said that part of the reason Queen Elizabeth I was such a good queen was becuse she had the ability to put aside her personal beliefs for the good of the country.

While I do think that there is a time for a ruler to be influenced by his personal beliefs for the good of the country, I don't think that this is necessarily one of them. If in fact, it is because of the information that current sex-ed programs offer the teen birth-rate is so low, then I agree, why change it?

Of course, it would be best if every single parent did their job properly and then we wouldn't even need to be having this discussion. However, in today's society, that's very unlikely. I really don't like the idea of the schools taking the parent's place in this. But, since it seems to be inavoidable, then I think it would be best if the schools just changed their curriculum slightly to place an emphasis on abstinence, since that is the only surefire way to avoid pregnancy and STDs.


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#13 2003-01-29 8:26 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Jayhawk, if you ever have children in the public school system and sex ed class time rolls around, you are free to remove your children from the class.  However, I think most parents find it to be a great relief that their children receive sex education through school.

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#14 2003-01-29 8:30 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

I've known some adults that feel uncomfortable talking to their kids about sex.  I think they're idiots, but that won't change their behavior.  I think sex ed in the schools is great.  I suggest me make Bush a one term president to get the point across.

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#15 2003-01-29 8:36 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Why the smurf is sex education in school anyway?  School is to teach you about math, english, science, etc.  Leave the rest to the parents.

where do you draw the line?

Well fundamentally school is for Reading,  Writing and Arithmetic.  So should be also be rid of Science?  What about other Academics?  Actually im a Math Minor in University and can say that I find what I learned in Sex Ed more important than any of the Math I learned past grade 3.



Eh, I knew about sex long before my parents ever talked to me about it.  Anyway, teaching sex ed in school is just another way of allowing parents to shirk their duties.  Give the damn parents some responsibility back!
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Looks like your parents failed,  since by the time they talked to you you had already "knew about sex long before".  And lets just say you have pretty good parents,  then what does that say about parents in general?

My parents gave me a very brief talk,  and gave me a book,  but neither was as comprehensive as what I learned at sex ed.  But its pretty much expected,  same as I expect a teacher and a nurse who are specalized in something to do a better job then my unskilled (in sex ed) parents.  I didn't expect my parents to do a better job at teaching me physics than my physics teacher,  so why would i expect more out of them my sex ed teacher?


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#16 2003-01-29 9:12 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Jayhawk, if you ever have children in the public school system and sex ed class time rolls around, you are free to remove your children from the class.

Don't you know me at all?  No kid of mine's setting foot in a public school.

Then Jay, move down here and send your kids to my school.  Yes, it's private, and they'll receive nothing even vaguely resembling Sex-Ed...


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#17 2003-01-29 9:41 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

PaveHammer"]Then Jay, move down here and send your kids to my school.  Yes, it's private, and they'll receive nothing even vaguely resembling Sex-Ed...

No public schools, no private schools, my kids will be self-educated, like I was/am.

OK...

*Pave backs away slowly...*


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#18 2003-01-29 10:38 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Just a reminder... smile

I (of course) completely respect Jayhawk's (and everyone's) choices in education methods, but (not to sound rude or anything) I'm hoping to highlight the issue of sex-ed in public education and stimulate teen dialog regarding it, since they are the primary people affected by this issue.

Public schools aren't for everyone. Including me, for instance. But I have still received a sex-education in public school.

Vive la Difference! big_smile


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#19 2003-01-29 11:47 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

What do you find so strange about unconventional education?

Jay, I personally think that it's important to let kids be exposed to opinions other than those of the parents.  Not that that at all applies to you, I don't know the degree of your isolation.  But, I have some cousins who's parent's took the "brainwash the kids, isolate them in the middle of rural Tennessee" approach, now the oldest is about to have a baby after essentially running away with her boyfriend and getting jailed for a while for drug and firearm charges, the younger ones still hang on the parents' every word, and would rather leap off a tall building than watch an "R" rated movie without the parent's consent (ok, maybe that was a slight exaggeration.  Slight.) However, I have a friend who was homeschooled in a small town, semi-hippy parents, and he's quite fine.  So it all depends on the situation, but Jay, you'd best at least expose your kids to opposing veiws or they'll feel lied to and rebel when they figure it out themselves.


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#20 2003-01-29 11:59 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Not that that at all applies to you

In case you missed that again...

Not that that at all applies to you

I was simply noting that homeschooling is a method used by isolative parents, and is detrimental when used as such.


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#21 2003-01-30 12:13 am

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Good, good, and now to the original topic-
In my experience with sex ed, it was always this overbearing crazy lady (she also did the smallpox/anthrax propaganda speech ("They might attack here just to show that none of us are safe!!!!," town of ~2500)) The basic message was "use a condom or you'll die."  Some people.


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#22 2003-01-30 1:30 am

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

An edjumucation is an edjumucation. I don't see why it should exclude learnin about sexual related stuff.
What's so special about the sweet jiggy woowa that it should be verboten in school?

(And if you are a teenager like me, that should be a no-brainer.)

My oath. Anyone who thinks you can stop kids from screwing by having their teacher tell them that bad things might happen is staggeringly out of touch with reality.

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#23 2003-01-30 11:39 am

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

(And if you are a teenager like me, that should be a no-brainer.)

What do you mean, exactly? That just because a person happens to be a teenager that person is  going to go out and have sex? That teenagers are incapable of any measure of self-control? What? And then I'd have to wonder about what your response is to the news that more and more teens are choosing to remain virgins until marriage. Dec. 9 Newsweek issue: The New Abstinence. Unfortunately, my mom probably threw it away, and you have to pay to see the article online...


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#24 2003-01-30 11:53 am

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?

Valid point, Jen.

I also am well aware of that Newsweek issue, it was (in part) my inspiration for this topic.

You are right that many teens can (and do) choose to be abstainent until marriage. But just like Kai pointed out, it is laughingly unrealistic to think that every teen can be convinced to make that decision.

At the very least, kids should be taught abstinence as well as other options so that when decision time comes (as it unfailingly does) they can at least make an informed and educated choice.

And that makes life safer for us all, and helps fight STD's, HIV, and teen dropout rates/poverty/homelessness/abortions related to teen pregnancy.


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#25 2003-01-30 12:00 pm

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Re: Is the future of Sex Ed in peril?


At the very least, kids should be taught abstinence as well as other options so that when decision time comes (as it unfailingly does) they can at least make an informed and educated choice.

Ah yes, decision time. I am of the opinion that decision time should be long before one is ever in the position to be having sex. However, I already said that I agree with you about the sex-ed programs in schools, especially since they are public schools and all that. (Oh my goodness, we actually agree! smile wink) I was just a bit disturbed by your statement, it seemed to sound like every teen is incapable of having some self-control and waiting for marriage.


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