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Paper mario isn't super mario RPG 2.  it's not even made by the same people.  it is very similar in that it is an RPG starring Mario characters, but it is very different in the approach.  first SMRPG was made by Squaresoft and EAD, Paper Mario was made by intelligent Systems (I think, if not, it was HAL)

anyway... HALO 2 is comming out this year for XBOX and will support XBOX Live. 

Allice is supposed to be comming to consoles... I have no idea what happened to it though...

and now, back to SMS...

I didn't much care for it.  it had some good ideas, but they got to be not fun.  They should have stuck to a more M64 approach and forgot about the water pack.  the water is some of the best I've ever seen in any games.  especially in the ocean....  it wasn't fun to me, and I love mario games...  I am a minority though, but still, it just wasn't up to par with Mario standards.  Miyamoto said that a more mario 64 type game (tentatively called Mario 128) is going to be released, I'd bet early 2004 though if I had to guess on a timeframe for release...

Mario Sunshine quite possible has the worst cutscenes and story ever.... well except maybe Conker's BFD. They shoulda just left them out. Anyone else getting tired of Nintendo's recycled sound effects? I don't think Mario has had a new sound effect since Mario 64. Mario Kart 64, Mario Tennis, um... never really played Mario Parties but I assume they all have those same samples of mario "Wooohooo, whaaahhaaaa, oooh".

I feel the same way as b, Mario 64 was great but I just couldn't get into Sunshine. If they'd just of removed the stupid water backpack, I'd been much happier.

Hmm, I liked it.
It's different, but I don't think that makes the game worse in any way. It's not as revolutionary as Super Mario 64 was, maybe that's why people seem to be a bit disappointed.

Mario 64 is great!

I completely dissagree.  I hated M64.  This isn't to say that I didn't play it... on the contrary.  I beat the game in a matter of days.  I could not stand (still can't) the direction they took the Mario series.  VERY dissapointing.

Oooh it's 3D.  I'm sorry but it made the game suck.  No more enemies.  Just running around endless polygon worlds.  BORING INDEED.  (Note:  sure there are some fun parts, but point being that it strayed too far from the Mario it used to be).

Anyway, because they took it in a different direction (3D run and jump v. sidescrolling action) I find Sunshine to be FAR superior.  Graphics are MUCH more important in this type of game, and Mario Sunshine is actually enjoyable to look at, versus M64 which was like looking into a shoebox.  Just look at the trippy mushroom world (the one with mushrooms underneith the village and the big tree).  Nice eye candy.

Plus, they found something interesting to play with in FLUDD.  It actually warrents the 3D world, where M64 was just showing off.

Water effects are great, the puzzles more fun, everything is better with Sunshine because they improved on the concept of a 3D Mario game.

Actually I am pretty sure that paper mario was going to be mario rpg2.

Yes it was. Did you see the early screens of SMRPG2? It was being developed for the N64, but it looked like a bad SNES game. They sorta changed that, but kept the 2D-ey and cartoony look.

My thoughts on Mario Sunshine: GREAT (not good, GREAT) game, but not nearly as great as Mario 64 (although, M64 is my favorite game of all time so technically NO game is as great as Mario 64).... the thing about Sunshine that I dislike is that they took away the freedom of it's predecessor. In Mario 64, most of the time, you could get ANY star you wanted to (not necesarily the one that was selected at the beginning of the level).... I LOVED that, and I was sorely disappointed MS didn't follow suit.

Also, my least favorite part of Mario 64 were the red coin stars, so it kind of sucked that sunshine has so many of them (and I'm not a fan of the blue coins)

One day I impulsively wanted to buy a Gamecube and the closest place was a Blockbuster. They only had the Gamecube with SMS, and not wanting to go anywhere else I bought it. I forgot how much fun the Mario game can be. I am really digging it. I play for a few nights in a row and then forget about it for 3 weeks or so. And then I play again. I sure am glad Blockbuster didn't have the plain system.

it was just ok.

mario 64 was one of the most innovative titles of all time, and so sunchine hd a lot to live up to.  the game was completely uninpired and utterly ruched.  a majority of the shines were obsacle courses blue coin BS.  i think JSRF/JGR or Rayman 2 are the best platformers ive played since mario 64