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#51 2005-02-19 7:44 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
otter wrote:
Do you even read?
The graph says nothing about cars, and neither did I!
In fact, my argument even addresses infrastructure, manufacture pollution, etc.
Wow, it's like arguing with a brick wall.
In fact, why am I bothering? I don't even care!
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What does fuel combustion mean to you? Do you even know what fuel combustion engines are used for? Here is a hint, autos.
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#53 2005-02-19 8:07 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
gozer wrote:
yes. just autos. good catch.
jackass.
nevermind that oil, kerosene, charcoal and wood are also combustible fuels.
name calling is so becoming of you... get a life.
As for the rest, yes they are, but tell me, think that wood & kerosene percentages are so high that they are statistical at all in the US?
Here is some help for ya.
United States
China
Hmm, I wonder who produces more pollution...
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#54 2005-02-19 8:14 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
Cyberpawz wrote:
gozer wrote:
yes. just autos. good catch.
jackass.
nevermind that oil, kerosene, charcoal and wood are also combustible fuels.
As for the rest, yes they are, but tell me, think that wood & kerosene percentages are so high that they are statistical at all in the US?
aw...i'll just imply you're a jackass from now on.
the point was it's not just cars that burn combustible fuel.
what do electrical power plants burn again?
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#55 2005-02-19 8:15 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
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Sulfor dioxide isn't a greenhouse gas. Hell, read the smurfing article.
"Compared to man-made sources, though, volcanoes' contribution to climate change is minuscule, Gerlach said.
Mount St. Helens produces between 500 and 1,000 tons a day of carbon dioxide, he estimates.
Nothstein, of the state energy office, says the Centralia coal plant puts out about 28,000 tons a day. Statewide, automobiles, industries, and residential and business heating systems emit nearly 10 times that amount."
Mt St Helens is not the largest greenhouse polluter.I always love it when people post articles that refute the point they're trying to make.
If you read the article, it even quote someone who specifically makes fun of people who try to make the claim that resedit was making.
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#56 2005-02-19 8:26 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
Cyberpawz wrote:
Hmm, I wonder who produces more pollution...
Well, statistics seem to point to the US, but I don't suppose that facts carry much weight with you.
However, the argument isn't about pollution, thicky. It's about greenhouse gas emmissions, most specifically CO2.
Every reputable source points out that the US produces more CO2, all by it's little self, than China, the EU 25, Russia, India, and amazingly, we produce 75% of the volume of CO2 produced by the entire rest of the world (excluding those nations named above) COMBINED.
But again, I don't suppose facts matter much, do they? Best just to obfuscate the issue by insisting that only automobiles use fuel.
Next time, read the entire post. Then you won't seem so stupid.
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#57 2005-02-19 8:28 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
obtuse wrote:
If you read the article, it even quote someone who specifically makes fun of people who try to make the claim that resedit was making.
Only when C02 is the only gas considered to be a greenhouse gas - which is the assumption the article made.
C02 is not the only greenhouse gas.
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#58 2005-02-19 8:30 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
otter wrote:
Next time, read the entire post. Then you won't seem so stupid.
I'm gonna get in trouble for this but....
You're new here, and as a word of advice, its not a matter of CP seeming stupid. He's genuinely stupid.
(as a side note to oatmeal before you delete this post, this is a good example of why PM's can be good. I don't want to send an email to someone I don't know to convey this sort of thing, but it needs to get sent somehow. It would be worth a PM)
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#59 2005-02-19 8:32 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
resedit wrote:
obtuse wrote:
If you read the article, it even quote someone who specifically makes fun of people who try to make the claim that resedit was making.
Only when C02 is the only gas considered to be a greenhouse gas - which is the assumption the article made.
C02 is not the only greenhouse gas.
Look, the article flat contradicts your point. St Helens is the largest producer of SO2, but that only contributes to acid rain, which is what the article means by St Helens is the largest polluter.
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#60 2005-02-19 8:32 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
obtuse wrote:
otter wrote:
Next time, read the entire post. Then you won't seem so stupid.
I'm gonna get in trouble for this but....
You're new here, and as a word of advice, its not a matter of CP seeming stupid. He's genuinely stupid.
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#61 2005-02-19 8:33 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
resedit wrote:
obtuse wrote:
If you read the article, it even quote someone who specifically makes fun of people who try to make the claim that resedit was making.
Only when C02 is the only gas considered to be a greenhouse gas - which is the assumption the article made.
C02 is not the only greenhouse gas.
Which it seems that no one here wants to believe either.
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#62 2005-02-19 9:10 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
gozer wrote:
obtuse wrote:
otter wrote:
Next time, read the entire post. Then you won't seem so stupid.
I'm gonna get in trouble for this but....
You're new here, and as a word of advice, its not a matter of CP seeming stupid. He's genuinely stupid.HAR
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#63 2005-02-19 9:12 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
Cyberpawz wrote:
resedit wrote:
obtuse wrote:
If you read the article, it even quote someone who specifically makes fun of people who try to make the claim that resedit was making.
Only when C02 is the only gas considered to be a greenhouse gas - which is the assumption the article made.
C02 is not the only greenhouse gas.Which it seems that no one here wants to believe either.
SO2 isn't a greenhouse gas. CO2 is the most significant gas contributing to the greenhouse effect.
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#64 2005-02-19 9:20 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
obtuse wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
obtuse wrote:
Sulfor dioxide isn't a greenhouse gas. Hell, read the smurfing article.
"Compared to man-made sources, though, volcanoes' contribution to climate change is minuscule, Gerlach said.
Mount St. Helens produces between 500 and 1,000 tons a day of carbon dioxide, he estimates.
Nothstein, of the state energy office, says the Centralia coal plant puts out about 28,000 tons a day. Statewide, automobiles, industries, and residential and business heating systems emit nearly 10 times that amount."
Mt St Helens is not the largest greenhouse polluter.I always love it when people post articles that refute the point they're trying to make.
If you read the article, it even quote someone who specifically makes fun of people who try to make the claim that resedit was making.
To be fair, volcano's can have a dramatic effect on global cooling. Perhaps even more dramatic than the global warming.
According to the global warming community, there has been a 1 degree rise in temp over the last 100 years. One volcanic eruption (Pinatubo) lowered temps in the northern hemisphere 1 degree for a whole year as well as effecting rain totals.
Do your part to combat global warming.
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#65 2005-02-19 9:20 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
obtuse wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
resedit wrote:
Only when C02 is the only gas considered to be a greenhouse gas - which is the assumption the article made.
C02 is not the only greenhouse gas.Which it seems that no one here wants to believe either.
SO2 isn't a greenhouse gas. CO2 is the most significant gas contributing to the greenhouse effect.
Which it seems that no one here ...
Oh, never mind.
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#66 2005-02-19 9:25 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
Farmerkev wrote:
obtuse wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
I always love it when people post articles that refute the point they're trying to make.If you read the article, it even quote someone who specifically makes fun of people who try to make the claim that resedit was making.
To be fair, volcano's can have a dramatic effect on global cooling. Perhaps even more dramatic than the global warming.
According to the global warming community, there has been a 1 degree rise in temp over the last 100 years. One volcanic eruption (Pinatubo) lowered temps in the northern hemisphere 1 degree for a whole year as well as effecting rain totals.
Aye, but resedit was just making stuff up in his post.
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#67 2005-02-19 9:35 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
obtuse wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
resedit wrote:
Only when C02 is the only gas considered to be a greenhouse gas - which is the assumption the article made.
C02 is not the only greenhouse gas.Which it seems that no one here wants to believe either.
SO2 isn't a greenhouse gas. CO2 is the most significant gas contributing to the greenhouse effect.
I didn't say SO2 is a greenhouse gas, I agreed that CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas.
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#68 2005-02-19 9:37 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
Cyberpawz wrote:
obtuse wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Which it seems that no one here wants to believe either.SO2 isn't a greenhouse gas. CO2 is the most significant gas contributing to the greenhouse effect.
I didn't say SO2 is a greenhouse gas, I agreed that CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas.
What greenhouse gases, besides CO2, do volcanoes emit?
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#70 2005-02-19 9:45 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
obtuse wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
obtuse wrote:
SO2 isn't a greenhouse gas. CO2 is the most significant gas contributing to the greenhouse effect.I didn't say SO2 is a greenhouse gas, I agreed that CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas.
What greenhouse gases, besides CO2, do volcanoes emit?
Oh, and BTW, a volcano's major gas expulsion on average is H20, then CO2, then OS2, then H2, then CO, then H2S, HCI, and finally in some cases HF.
So you tell me, which one would you conceder a greenhouse gas?
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#71 2005-02-19 9:49 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
Cyberpawz wrote:
obtuse wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
I didn't say SO2 is a greenhouse gas, I agreed that CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas.What greenhouse gases, besides CO2, do volcanoes emit?
Oh, and BTW, a volcano's major gas expulsion on average is H20, then CO2, then OS2, then H2, then CO, then H2S, HCI, and finally in some cases HF.
So you tell me, which one would you conceder a greenhouse gas?
i concede nothing!
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#72 2005-02-19 9:50 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
Cyberpawz wrote:
obtuse wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
I didn't say SO2 is a greenhouse gas, I agreed that CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas.What greenhouse gases, besides CO2, do volcanoes emit?
Oh, and BTW, a volcano's major gas expulsion on average is H20, then CO2, then OS2, then H2, then CO, then H2S, HCI, and finally in some cases HF.
So you tell me, which one would you conceder a greenhouse gas?
you tell me.
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#73 2005-02-19 9:58 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
obtuse wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
obtuse wrote:
What greenhouse gases, besides CO2, do volcanoes emit?Oh, and BTW, a volcano's major gas expulsion on average is H20, then CO2, then OS2, then H2, then CO, then H2S, HCI, and finally in some cases HF.
So you tell me, which one would you conceder a greenhouse gas?you tell me.
I asked you first, don't throw this back on me.
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#74 2005-02-19 10:01 pm
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Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
gozer wrote:
AUTOS
PIE CHARTS!
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#75 2005-02-19 10:06 pm
Re: usa must be forced to bring back Green House Gases.
Cyberpawz wrote:
obtuse wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Oh, and BTW, a volcano's major gas expulsion on average is H20, then CO2, then OS2, then H2, then CO, then H2S, HCI, and finally in some cases HF.
So you tell me, which one would you conceder a greenhouse gas?you tell me.
I asked you first, don't throw this back on me.
No, actually I asked you first. Back when I said "What greenhouse gases, besides CO2, do volcanoes emit?"
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